Daniel
Carpal tunnel level member
- Location
- Suburban Philadelphia (Wayne)
Had the following banter with August:
Rather than make this a thread about oen handing saws, it might be better to make it about the repsonodibility of video producers to not show unsafe work practices... or at least put in a disclaimer.
@evo recently said my videos were full of unsafe work practices.. I asked him to show me one... SO here's your chance to point out and discuss unsafe practices in tree videos. What are the implications of showing widely used practices that violate ANSI etc.
bad example for the rookies of one handing the saw over your head, close to your climb line, to get that little deadwood at 6:10. I appreciate you keeping it real, but it would be nice if you said something.. like.... "just cause you see me do it doesn't make it OK for you if you are not experienced".. HUMAN almost killed himself trying to tip tie that walnut limb. IMO that's because he had watched a lot of your tip-tiying but didn't understand the danger he was in. THAT WAS 6" FROM DEATH... While it's good to trust that people will have enough sense to keep themselves safe and we don't have to micro-manage every spec of video, because this work is so inherently dangerous, you do bear moral responsibility for showing safe practices or giving fair warning.
10 minutes ago
I think there are some rooftop parkour channels you need to pester about moral responsibility before you get to me. Oh, and maybe some of those hard alcohol guzzling channels. I absolutely abhor your viewpoint on this. To me it is the definition of immoral.
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Daniel Murphy
1 second ago
@August Hunicke ...you don't think that's a bad example for rookies???? one handing a climbing saw over your head??? Did you hear how Human said he got into tree work because he was so turned on by your videos? and then remember when I told you I thought a bunch of your tip tying was unnecessary? (of course, you dismissed that too) and shortly after that, Human comes 6" away from killing himself by tip tying a big limb, just the way he had no doubt seen you do? It's all true buddy... but don't feel too bad... did you see Buckin one hand a mid-sized rear handle saw over his head from a ladder without being tied in???
August Hunicke
4 minutes ago
My last two sentences in my previous reply to you are the last responses you’ll ever get from me on this subject. Perhaps you can refer back to them the next time you’re triggered.
@August Hunicke I wouldn't call my response triggered as much as just speaking the truth. Feels to me like you're getting defensive. Not the first time either.. This isn't hating bro.. it's constructive criticism. You might consider using it rather than just reacting with a knee-jerk borderline hostile response. how hard would it be to edit that little 5 second bit out? It contributes nothing to the production, but certainly by all rational standards sets a bad example, and is a highly unsafe work practice, even by those with experience. Would you let your daughter handle a saw like that on her first aerial mission with a chainsaw? NFW
I have huge respect for the way you live your life, treat your family and co-workers, handle a saw, run a tree service and produce videos. Nothing in the above supersedes that. We just have a difference of opinion. Not worth getting into a pissing match over if it's not going to change any minds. But hopefully, this will give other readers something to think about
Rather than make this a thread about oen handing saws, it might be better to make it about the repsonodibility of video producers to not show unsafe work practices... or at least put in a disclaimer.
@evo recently said my videos were full of unsafe work practices.. I asked him to show me one... SO here's your chance to point out and discuss unsafe practices in tree videos. What are the implications of showing widely used practices that violate ANSI etc.
Daniel Murphy
21 minutes agobad example for the rookies of one handing the saw over your head, close to your climb line, to get that little deadwood at 6:10. I appreciate you keeping it real, but it would be nice if you said something.. like.... "just cause you see me do it doesn't make it OK for you if you are not experienced".. HUMAN almost killed himself trying to tip tie that walnut limb. IMO that's because he had watched a lot of your tip-tiying but didn't understand the danger he was in. THAT WAS 6" FROM DEATH... While it's good to trust that people will have enough sense to keep themselves safe and we don't have to micro-manage every spec of video, because this work is so inherently dangerous, you do bear moral responsibility for showing safe practices or giving fair warning.
August Hunicke10 minutes ago
I think there are some rooftop parkour channels you need to pester about moral responsibility before you get to me. Oh, and maybe some of those hard alcohol guzzling channels. I absolutely abhor your viewpoint on this. To me it is the definition of immoral.
Show less
Daniel Murphy
1 second ago
@August Hunicke ...you don't think that's a bad example for rookies???? one handing a climbing saw over your head??? Did you hear how Human said he got into tree work because he was so turned on by your videos? and then remember when I told you I thought a bunch of your tip tying was unnecessary? (of course, you dismissed that too) and shortly after that, Human comes 6" away from killing himself by tip tying a big limb, just the way he had no doubt seen you do? It's all true buddy... but don't feel too bad... did you see Buckin one hand a mid-sized rear handle saw over his head from a ladder without being tied in???
August Hunicke
4 minutes ago
My last two sentences in my previous reply to you are the last responses you’ll ever get from me on this subject. Perhaps you can refer back to them the next time you’re triggered.
@August Hunicke I wouldn't call my response triggered as much as just speaking the truth. Feels to me like you're getting defensive. Not the first time either.. This isn't hating bro.. it's constructive criticism. You might consider using it rather than just reacting with a knee-jerk borderline hostile response. how hard would it be to edit that little 5 second bit out? It contributes nothing to the production, but certainly by all rational standards sets a bad example, and is a highly unsafe work practice, even by those with experience. Would you let your daughter handle a saw like that on her first aerial mission with a chainsaw? NFW
I have huge respect for the way you live your life, treat your family and co-workers, handle a saw, run a tree service and produce videos. Nothing in the above supersedes that. We just have a difference of opinion. Not worth getting into a pissing match over if it's not going to change any minds. But hopefully, this will give other readers something to think about
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