Crane accident 8/31/21 Washington State

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Yeah I personally would never feel safe pushing the limits at all on crane work even on a piece at ground level things happen fast and there should never be a need to, cut it smaller or call someone else who has a bigger crane which we’ve done a bit of.
I have worked with cowboy crane operators, who on the butt pick set off the alarms and than override the safety to make the lift. Total idiots IMO and I will no longer have them on my job sites, let alone ever contract climb for them again.
 
I have worked with cowboy crane operators, who on the butt pick set off the alarms and than override the safety to make the lift. Total idiots IMO and I will no longer have them on my job sites, let alone ever contract climb for them again.
Crazy, smart choice not working with them again, I worked with a couple operators I’d never work with again, it’s great when you find someone you feel totally confident putting your trust in and being on the same page.
 
On very steep ground, the piece could potentially slide/roll down the hill. In such a circumstance, we would not make a questionable pick, we would treat it just like a pick taken at height.

And to clarify, we do not intentionally push the limits of the cranes; picking wood is not an exact science, so we estimate weights on every pick we take. We will take a pick that we estimate to be closer to capacity when we are lifting from the ground. We will never intentionally take a pick we believe to be over the capacity of the crane.

Reach,
Thanks for this answer. I apologize for using the words push the limits.


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I have worked with cowboy crane operators, who on the butt pick set off the alarms and than override the safety to make the lift. Total idiots IMO and I will no longer have them on my job sites, let alone ever contract climb for them again.
On the other end of the spectrum we had an operator this year who, when good for ~3000lbs, wouldn't let us pick more than 700lbs
 
The thing about that explanation is that you didn’t give any meaningful input on how they could have done things better and brought up a bunch of stuff this Jake has done wrong with no reference point so it really means nothing to anyone reading it besides just hearing how bad some guy named Jake is, who apparently wasn’t even working when the accident happened. But hey only you can truly know what motivates you to say and do what you do right.
Since you seem to have missed the conversation we had when this vid was first posted here-


At 0:18-0:19 Jake clearly looks at his intended lay before starting his undercut. At 0:20 Jake begins his undercut, and then again looks towards his intended lay at 0:24-0:25...Please notice where his intended lay is.

At 0:30 he finishes what can only be describe as a gawd awful undercut. Realizing he has left a bunch of bypass on the far side he make a couple lazy attempts at cleaning it up. I would also point out that at no point did he take the time to use his saw and properly sight/gun his undercut...More lazy, rushed bullshit in my book.

At 0:46 this small lightweight dead top comes to a stop as his shitty undercut closes up... Surprise, surprise!

Now freeze the frame at 1:01 and you can see that this top landed 15-20 degrees wide left of the intended lay. As a result his top hit a tree, and the dead alder snag which eventually ended up ringing his fucking bell...Hell, if he would have made a decent cut the alder snag would never have come into play.

This is why I am a ball buster about always striving for perfection on each and every cut..Perfect cuts are exponentially less likely to have bad outcomes
 
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The thing about that explanation is that you didn’t give any meaningful input on how they could have done things better and brought up a bunch of stuff this Jake has done wrong with no reference point so it really means nothing to anyone reading it besides just hearing how bad some guy named Jake is, who apparently wasn’t even working when the accident happened. But hey only you can truly know what motivates you to say and do what you do right.
Next up is another vid which was referenced here. This one is very pertinent to the discussion at hand-


Jake and the boys use their crane as a remote rigging point, and treat us to some shitty subpar cuts...Nuff said..
 
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Next up is another vid which was referenced here. This one is very pertinent to the discussion at hand-


Jake and the boys use their crane as a remote rigging point, and treat us to some shitty subpar cuts...Nuff said..
It’s easy to talk, I fully support you in making a YouTube series on how to never ever do anything wrong, ever and only make perfect cuts 100% of the time, it would be enlightening, and amazing to see such perfection exists. I do agree that he made a bad cut left to much hinge on the wrong side on that cut for sure, I’ll try to take a look at the other one later, what would you suggest instead of using a crane as a rigging point in that scenario. I’ve seen so much of this and much worse, I’ve seen the biggest contractors eagerly have their employees use their under maintained booms as rigging points and as make shift cranes all the time, etc. this definitely isn’t an isolated problem.
 
Any look at Professor John Ball’s research on accidents and fatalities in our industry would stress this point. Imperfection and laziness can be unforgiving.
Without looking at any research I’d go as far to say that should be common sense, and that a vast majority of accidents happen when people aren’t 100% focused, however also no one is perfect.
 
It’s easy to talk, I fully support you in making a YouTube series on how to never ever do anything wrong, ever and only make perfect cuts 100% of the time, it would be enlightening, and amazing to see such perfection exists. I do agree that he made a bad cut left to much hinge on the wrong side on that cut for sure, I’ll try to take a look at the other one later, what would you suggest instead of using a crane as a rigging point in that scenario. I’ve seen so much of this and much worse, I’ve seen the biggest contractors eagerly have their employees use their under maintained booms as rigging points and as make shift cranes all the time, etc. this definitely isn’t an isolated problem.
Talk? Please. Been there done that with the YouTube channel. It is no secret around here that I hold both Reg and August in very high regard and consider them to be 2 of the very best. As such it was a real honor when they both gave me shutouts in their vids. The only problem was that afterwards my channel quickly became more than I cared to deal with. Answering way too many comments/questions, and feeling like I had to keep making new content to keep my viewers happy just wasn’t my thing. Add the fact that I fucking hate YouTube and it was an easy decision to pull my YouTube channel.

You do realize that cranes are not designed to be used as remote rigging points. Do so at your own peril.
 
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Talk? Please. Been there done that with the YouTube channel. It is no secret around that I hold both Reg and August in very high regard and after they both gave me shutouts in their vids my channel quickly became more than I cared to deal with, so I pulled my channel. Answering comments/questions, and feeling like I had to keep making new content to keep my viewers happy just wasn’t my thing. Plus I fucking hate YouTube.

You do realize that cranes are not designed to be used as remote rigging points. Do so at your own peril.
You love to hate it, where do you find the time to watch all these, get back to work and family lol j/k what’s your YouTube account I want to see this perfection now, of course I do I wouldn’t say cranes in general are designed for tree work, and I’m not at all advocating it, I asked you how you would have done it differently and just saying I’ve seen much worse as I’m sure we all have, Here’s a crane flopping caught on video https://vertikal.net/en/news/story/21260/tree-work-takes-another-crane.
 
You love to hate it, where do you find the time to watch all these, get back to work and family lol j/k what’s your YouTube account I want to see this perfection now, of course I do I wouldn’t say cranes in general are designed for tree work, and I’m not at all advocating it, I asked you how you would have done it differently and just saying I’ve seen much worse as I’m sure we all have, Here’s a crane flopping caught on video https://vertikal.net/en/news/story/21260/tree-work-takes-another-crane.
I’m sitting here recovering from ankle surgery so I got nothing but time. What’s your fucking excuse buddy?

I’m not sure which part of “ I pulled my YouTube channel” you don’t understand.
 
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The thing about that explanation is that you didn’t give any meaningful input on how they could have done things better and brought up a bunch of stuff this Jake has done wrong with no reference point so it really means nothing to anyone reading it besides just hearing how bad some guy named Jake is, who apparently wasn’t even working when the accident happened. But hey only you can truly know what motivates you to say and do what you do right.
@rico has been here a long time. You might wanna look back through some of his old posts and see what he's about. Those of us who know him know exactly where he's coming from and what motivates him. The nice thing about this forum is people typically don't call out others opinions until they get to know each other. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, however, if you knew Rico you might have approached it a little less intensely.
 
I’m sitting here recovering from ankle surgery so I got nothing but time. What’s your fucking excuse buddy?

I’m not sure which part of “ I pulled my YouTube channel” you don’t understand.
Hey Rico, thanks for the link to your videos, some good stuff there!

Quick question. In your second video, on demonstrating your flip line technique, You're using a 3 strand flip line. I like to do the same myself. Did you spice it yourself and what size is it and what are you using for a lanyard adjuster?

Thanks again.
 
So much history here that isn't wee

@rico has been here a long time. You might wanna look back through some of his old posts and see what he's about. Those of us who know him know exactly where he's coming from and what motivates him. The nice thing about this forum is people typically don't call out others opinions until they get to know each other. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, however, if you knew Rico you might have approached it a little less intensely.
Agreed Steve, Rico know's his shit.
 
I’m sitting here recovering from ankle surgery so I got nothing but time. What’s your fucking excuse buddy?

I’m not sure which part of “ I pulled my YouTube channel” you don’t understand.
No excuses, I just don’t know why someone would take the time to create all that and put on YouTube to just take it down, unless you where getting too many negative comments from keyboard warriors telling you to wear your PPE and being judgy like yourself. That’s just my whole point I hope you heal I well and I know I can get into some of those places of wanting to judge outwardly rather than take that inner time we need when healing, but hey thank you for sharing those videos, to be honest I’d much rather watch your videos then all these new guys with the newest arborist fashion, you’re very skilled at the trade and I can understand a little more where you’re coming from now, I used to climb for years just with just a hat too. Solid work you’re definitely far beyond your friend Jake
 
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