Neruo Divergence (ND). In arboriculture

How many of us are ND?

  • Yes, diagnosed

    Votes: 5 27.8%

  • Yes, self diagnosed

    Votes: 6 33.3%

  • Maybe, and curious

    Votes: 4 22.2%

  • Have been told but do not identify

    Votes: 1 5.6%

  • Nope, I’m a normie

    Votes: 2 11.1%
  • Total voters
    18
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This has been a bit of a curiosity of mine for quite a while. I’m very much a ND person and the more I learn about it the more tree work is the perfect profession for some subtypes.
I’ve gone to the extent of asking some peers privately on Facebook, and granted these are people I like and we tend to stick together. Point is the net wasn’t cast very wide but it was very interesting to hear that nearly everyone I spoke to had some kind of diagnosis for ND ‘conditions’

to be blunt I thought Tony’s grammar comments were harsh and cold hearted. None of us know much about the other, the tools we have, nor abilities. Frequently compassion is overlooked or not considered in how we interact with each other as a default.
 
To share a bit three things that fits very well in Arboriculture for me are
1) Allows hyper focus, when working nothing else matters except the moment
2) Every tree is a puzzle, every job is a puzzle, and none are the same
3) not unlike #2 but the width or scope of what arboriculture is, everything from specie specific pruning, phc, ipm, removals, felling blah blah.. jack of one or jack of many or pick and choose specialties.
 
My brother in law is an accountant. His joke:
What is the difference between an extroverted accountant and an introverted one?

The extroverted one looks at the other guys shoes when talking to him.

My reply: i went to school for forestry. If I wanted a sociable job, I'd have been an engineer.
 
Am I normal? No. Do I look and act normal according to most of those around me? Yes. Do I want to be different from who I was created to be? Sometimes I think I do, but I’m glad I am not. I was created the way I am, my uniqueness is what makes me who I am, and is what gives me the abilities that I have.

What is normal anyway? Can it be clearly defined, especially these days, with all the diagnoses of mental illness/disorder/deficiency?
 
Good conversation, but with any conversation we need to define our terms, (where have I heard that one before). Everyone isn’t normal, and everyone has tendencies for things sometimes. I’m talking about the more clinical criteria of patterns that occur more often than not. Let’s leave the impairment, illness, and disorder talk out of it, because that is a matter of perspective and social norms and means which are all bullshit anyway
 
evo said:
To share a bit three things that fits very well in Arboriculture for me are
1) Allows hyper focus, when working nothing else matters except the moment
2) Every tree is a puzzle, every job is a puzzle, and none are the same
3) not unlike #2 but the width or scope of what arboriculture is, everything from specie specific pruning, phc, ipm, removals, felling blah blah.. jack of one or jack of many or pick and choose specialties.
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^^This
And I will add that a healthy dose of destruction has always been vital to my well being.

Regarding the grammar thing, I totally get the long post thing. Definitely something I fight from time to time. Probably high IQ. Seen the same thing when I was an engineer. Just a side note, never confuse indecision with low IQ. It actually the opposite.
 
I can't decide whether I agree with your post.... :)

I find bottom-up/detail thinkers (leads to "yes it can be done" or not) vs top down strategy/we'll work out the details later thinkers an interesting topic. I wonder what most arborists are?
 
Bart_ said:
I can't decide whether I agree with your post.... :)

I find bottom-up/detail thinkers (leads to "yes it can be done" or not) vs top down strategy/we'll work out the details later thinkers an interesting topic. I wonder what most arborists are?
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Both? Many ND folks are known for thinking outside of the box and coming up with creative solutions to complex problems. It’s not as simple as top down or bottom up. Same argument for new school vs old, srt vs DdRT… best tool for the job and someone who has all the tools in their box and knows when to pull them out..
 
Whats the original thread so I can understand what's going on here. My understanding of ND isn't just someone who looks at life differently but a subset of things like ADHD, Aspurgers, Autism, ADHD, and a handful of more. One of the examples was of an introvert. That doesn't necessarily fall into the clinical definition of ND. Maybe I'm misinformed.
 
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Steve Connally said:
Whats the original thread so I can understand what's going on here. My understanding of ND isn't just someone who looks at life differently but a subset of things like ADHD, Aspurgers, Autism, ADHD, and a handful of more. One of the examples was of an introvert. That doesn't necessarily fall into the clinical definition of ND. Maybe I'm misinformed.
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Introvert can be a trait of ND.. there is actually a huge movement to classify all of these into one spectrum. There is no high functioning Autism or Aspurgers, just ASD (autism spectrum …)
Current research is showing that the same gene’s are at play with ADHD AND ASD, it’s the timing when they are activated or mutated that defines the two but something like 80% rates of comorbidity…. Alexithimia also falls into this relm
 
Steve Connally said:
Whats the original thread so I can understand what's going on here.
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I believe you're looking for another thread where some members pointed out to another member that his posts are very wordy. I think this post originated to see what kind of people get attracted to this work, maybe thinking that we're all a little off in one way or another. :LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL::LOL: Yeah, I would probably double down on that one.
 
Inductive Reasoning is inverse of most peoples thought process, if one….
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Being able to work backwards, also lends towards more to hitting target on the run forwards in realtime. As Evo says able to do both ways better, I think able to flip spin in head as hit from any angle more 'owns' it tho. Need lots of data/experience, heart and brain space to spin it as something smaller tho I think.
 
Steve Connally said:
Off the point of your thread I suppose but I don't understand these movements and the need to classify into subgroups. Im an introvert. I don't need to call it anything other than 9 out of 10 people are assholes.. I miss the Treebuzz of way back.
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You are over thinking this. I also miss the ole buzz. The more I learn about clinical ND the more behaviors or traits seem to fit within this profession. Simply I asked a few arbs I know, and was very surprised that the majority of them also deal with this too. Enough to make me think there is something with the way tree peeps are wired, something about this work that attracts ND, or the nature of the work is attractive to ND.

I have scratch the surface of understanding phycology, far from credentialed. Talk about fucken boxes! But there is a class of conditions that are measurably different, with genetic links that make people literally hard wired different. Now these ‘normal’ people can have a wide range of conditions and or learned behavior, but their brains are wired normally.
both groups certainly can be assholes for better or worse.
 
Gracefully withdrawing from the dialogue. Not because I think it’s not relevant but just don’t share the perspective. Different generation, different life experiences and different perspective. It’s not opposing viewpoints just not a rabbit hole I wanna dive down. Thanks for the explanation.
 
Serf Life said:
There were never any good old days, they are today they are tomorrow. It’s a stupid thing we do: cursing tomorrow with sorrow.
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What a strange way to view life. Is it not possible to think of one without resorting to the other?

Regarding ND, it is not much of a stretch to recognize that tree work attracts a very specific type of individual.
 
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