The New Treemotion

[Jimmycrackcorn]

The rear green ring is “rated” for work positioning. The red on the super light is not rated. If you take off the back pad of each, the saddle construction is noticeably different.

Ahhhh good eye! That makes sense as to why I'm seeing what I'm seeing..

Speaking to the Older TM... It has miles of adjustment in the webbing on the leg loops, bridge rise, and waist. I would not be worried with layers. In fact its been some what of a complaint, of having to manage all the webbing tails.

Oh nice, that's good to hear.. How about the webbing design though? Am I seeing it correctly..? The leg loop webbing goes from each side of leg loop, directly through lower D & onto other side of leg loop? Unlike Buck Ergo lines, Petzl Sequioa, Notch Sentinel.. where web goes directly from one side of leg loop to the other side of leg loop & connects to rigging plates/rings by way of non-adjustable sewn link?

Son of a bitch.. here's a better way of asking... Way easier to explain.. "Do the TM's leg loops float within the Lower D's.. Unlike the Ergo's, Sentinels & Sequoias, which are not?"

I think I'm gonna buy one of these new ones & check it out.

 

[TimBr]

You'll only see that red ring on the back of the Super Light I think.

It is also present on my original version TreeMotion saddle. I think they changed it to a life-support rated ring in the newer version of the standard TreeMotion saddle.

I think in my saddle version the red ring in back was only intended to be used as a chainsaw attachment point.

 

[Jonny]

I stand corrected, thanks Tim!

Jimmy, does this tell you how the lower D's are set up? Idk about those other saddles, I went from a 12 year old Traverse to this.

 

[evo]

Ahhhh good eye! That makes sense as to why I'm seeing what I'm seeing..



Oh nice, that's good to hear.. How about the webbing design though? Am I seeing it correctly..? The leg loop webbing goes from each side of leg loop, directly through lower D & onto other side of leg loop? Unlike Buck Ergo lines, Petzl Sequioa, Notch Sentinel.. where web goes directly from one side of leg loop to the other side of leg loop & connects to rigging plates/rings by way of non-adjustable sewn link?

Son of a bitch.. here's a better way of asking... Way easier to explain.. "Do the TM's leg loops float within the Lower D's.. Unlike the Ergo's, Sentinels & Sequoias, which are not?"

I think I'm gonna buy one of these new ones & check it out.

yes

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

I stand corrected, thanks Tim!

Jimmy, does this tell you how the lower D's are set up? Idk about those other saddles, I went from a 12 year old Traverse to this.

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Yes yes... Thanks Bongo!

yes

Thanks Evo.

Again.. can't believe I'm just now noticing.. I totally wanted this saddle but compromised for the MB. It has everything the the MB doesn't as well as everything it does..

-Ability to quickly adjust one handed on the fly.. vs adjusters u have to slacken/manually push web through.

-Huge open lower d connections vs cramped rig plates.

-Clean dual bridge capability vs improvised setups.

-Infinate storage configurations vs limited/ dedicated locations & a ton of wasted real estate.

-Leg loop storage vs none what so ever.

-Rated rear ring vs nothing

- (Again storage related, but important) Ability to cleanly store Medical supply or tourniquet.

But hey.. the grass is always greener on the other side, right?

Can anyone point out some negatives pertaining to the TM? New, Old versions, whateve..

How about the bungees, to me seem they would be getting tangled, but then again I'm used to single rear straps that are, actually, the only one handed adjustment on the MB.

 

[treegongfu]

Anyone try this out??? The Simarghu Fire.

I've been using one for just over a year. I was having back pain using the TM. I don't think it made any difference. It is a fine harness and seems to be holding up well.

The buckles on the Tree Motion are superior in that they are smaller but more robust.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

I've been using one for just over a year. I was having back pain using the TM. I don't think it made any difference. It is a fine harness and seems to be holding up well.

The buckles on the Tree Motion are superior in that they are smaller but more robust.

I thought the D's looked interesting, but the rest of the saddle had me wondering.. Since you have one.. what is the purpose of the circled below? It's looks like an adjuster that you can't adjust..

When i had a similar style suspension for a short but with the Ergovation, while I was dialing it in, I kept longing for the ability to make that exact spot longer without touching the other adjustments. But you can't because it's sewn in place. Now i see a saddle of this style design with an adjuster in there, but it looks sewn in place.. why not just sew it without the hardware. The hardware in there seems to have no purpose.. Can u clarify?

Also in this picture below, is what's circled, the means of rise adjustment? Is it just one long loop terminated in the back? No other adjustment other than rear leg straps?

A few months ago i contacted the manufacturer about purchasing the Lower D's. They were more than happy to sell replacement bridge rings & cordage, but played it off like they didn't know how to order the D's rings.

 

[Mowerr]

Yes yes... Thanks Bongo!Thanks Evo.

Again.. can't believe I'm just now noticing.. I totally wanted this saddle but compromised for the MB. It has everything the the MB doesn't as well as everything it does..

-Ability to quickly adjust one handed on the fly.. vs adjusters u have to slacken/manually push web through.

-Huge open lower d connections vs cramped rig plates.

-Clean dual bridge capability vs improvised setups.

-Infinate storage configurations vs limited/ dedicated locations & a ton of wasted real estate.

-Leg loop storage vs none what so ever.

-Rated rear ring vs nothing

- (Again storage related, but important) Ability to cleanly store Medical supply or tourniquet.

But hey.. the grass is always greener on the other side, right?

Can anyone point out some negatives pertaining to the TM? New, Old versions, whateve..

How about the bungees, to me seem they would be getting tangled, but then again I'm used to single rear straps that are, actually, the only one handed adjustment on the MB.

As far as your list goes, the one negative I got for you is that the tm waist buckle adjustment is almost impossible to adjust when your loading the saddle. That and the leg loops. But you can adjust the rise of your bridge and lower d's anytime

 

[RBJtree]

Yes yes... Thanks Bongo!Thanks Evo.

Again.. can't believe I'm just now noticing.. I totally wanted this saddle but compromised for the MB. It has everything the the MB doesn't as well as everything it does..

-Ability to quickly adjust one handed on the fly.. vs adjusters u have to slacken/manually push web through.

-Huge open lower d connections vs cramped rig plates.

-Clean dual bridge capability vs improvised setups.

-Infinate storage configurations vs limited/ dedicated locations & a ton of wasted real estate.

-Leg loop storage vs none what so ever.

-Rated rear ring vs nothing

- (Again storage related, but important) Ability to cleanly store Medical supply or tourniquet.

But hey.. the grass is always greener on the other side, right?

Can anyone point out some negatives pertaining to the TM? New, Old versions, whateve..

How about the bungees, to me seem they would be getting tangled, but then again I'm used to single rear straps that are, actually, the only one handed adjustment on the MB.

I got the 2018 version a few weeks ago. I only have about a couple dozen climbs on it yet and I feel I will dial it in better than it is now, but one thing I did is remove the inner rear bungees. The leg loops were riding up on me until I removed the inner bungee. I thought it seemed like they fell too low at first, but it turns out to work very well for me.

 

[Steve Connally]

Hope they fixed the buckle creeps. I have to readjust mine several times a day.

 

[RBJtree]

Hope they fixed the buckle creeps. I have to readjust mine several times a day.

I haven't had a problem yet. Tough to say for certain with 3-4 layers of clothes on most days, lol.

 

[Mowerr]

They do creep, suspenders will help with that though (I made my own) I've heard of many guys getting their webbing bar tacked or stitched once they have their fit dialed in. I think there's other, less permanent ways to prevent them from creeping. Also might want to ask swingdude about his custom waist buckle. I think he took the buckle off a tm light or off something else...it's basically a double back buckle that could be adjusted easier that he replaced for the cobra. I got a buckle I'm going to do the same with someday , maybe. As time goes on the buckles and creep don't bother me like when I first got it.

 

[Steve Connally]

They do creep, suspenders will help with that though (I made my own) I've heard of many guys getting their webbing bar tacked or stitched once they have their fit dialed in. I think there's other, less permanent ways to prevent them from creeping. Also might want to ask swingdude about his custom waist buckle. I think he took the buckle off a tm light or off something else...it's basically a double back buckle that could be adjusted easier that he replaced for the cobra. I got a buckle I'm going to do the same with someday , maybe. As time goes on the buckles and creep don't bother me like when I first got it.

The issue is its fit and snugged down hard on the ground. One ascent and its over my belly and my stuff is getting smashed. Lanyard in, push the saddle down and then tighten the waist belt again. Do that 5 times a climb. No bueno. I miss my MCRS. Never had a single issue. Saddle stayed exactly where is was then I put it on. For $500 I shouldn't have to mod anything. It should be plug and play. I'm trying to be optimistic but I'm almost sorry I decided to go the TM route. Almost........ It was the monkey beaver and those awful patches or the kolibri. I wen't with the tm because all the cool kids rock them. I'm just not a cool kid.

 

[RBJtree]

The issue is its fit and snugged down hard on the ground. One ascent and its over my belly and my stuff is getting smashed. Lanyard in, push the saddle down and then tighten the waist belt again. Do that 5 times a climb. No bueno. I miss my MCRS. Never had a single issue. Saddle stayed exactly where is was then I put it on. For $500 I shouldn't have to mod anything. It should be plug and play. I'm trying to be optimistic but I'm almost sorry I decided to go the TM route. Almost........ It was the monkey beaver and those awful patches or the kolibri. I wen't with the tm because all the cool kids rock them. I'm just not a cool kid.

I definitly don't get that happening. I have the newest version of the old one, if that makes any sense, I believe it had updated ANSI cobra buckles? Maybe they creep less than previous buckles.

 

[DSMc]

Some pine resin on the inside of webbing in the adjustment area of the buckle does wonders for keeping things from slipping.

 

[evo]

Yes yes... Thanks Bongo!Thanks Evo.

Again.. can't believe I'm just now noticing.. I totally wanted this saddle but compromised for the MB. It has everything the the MB doesn't as well as everything it does..
Been thinking of a Onyx but the MB doesn’t seeem too far off
-Ability to quickly adjust one handed on the fly.. vs adjusters u have to slacken/manually push web through.

-Huge open lower d connections vs cramped rig plates.

-Clean dual bridge capability vs improvised setups.

-Infinate storage configurations vs limited/ dedicated locations & a ton of wasted real estate.

-Leg loop storage vs none what so ever.

-Rated rear ring vs nothing

- (Again storage related, but important) Ability to cleanly store Medical supply or tourniquet.

But hey.. the grass is always greener on the other side, right?

Can anyone point out some negatives pertaining to the TM? New, Old versions, whateve..

How about the bungees, to me seem they would be getting tangled, but then again I'm used to single rear straps that are, actually, the only one handed adjustment on the MB.

If it will for a 32-34 inch waist I will trade you a TM light straight across..

 

[rico]

The issue is its fit and snugged down hard on the ground. One ascent and its over my belly and my stuff is getting smashed. Lanyard in, push the saddle down and then tighten the waist belt again. Do that 5 times a climb. No bueno. I miss my MCRS. Never had a single issue. Saddle stayed exactly where is was then I put it on. For $500 I shouldn't have to mod anything. It should be plug and play. I'm trying to be optimistic but I'm almost sorry I decided to go the TM route. Almost........ It was the monkey beaver and those awful patches or the kolibri. I wen't with the tm because all the cool kids rock them. I'm just not a cool kid.

The waist buckle is the main reason I went with the TreeMo light, which i love. I know you dont want to do a mod, but you might thick about putting the S.Light bucket on you saddle.

 

[Mowerr]

The issue is its fit and snugged down hard on the ground. One ascent and its over my belly and my stuff is getting smashed. Lanyard in, push the saddle down and then tighten the waist belt again. Do that 5 times a climb. No bueno. I miss my MCRS. Never had a single issue. Saddle stayed exactly where is was then I put it on. For $500 I shouldn't have to mod anything. It should be plug and play. I'm trying to be optimistic but I'm almost sorry I decided to go the TM route. Almost........ It was the monkey beaver and those awful patches or the kolibri. I wen't with the tm because all the cool kids rock them. I'm just not a cool kid.

Definatly shouldn't creep like that man.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

If it will for a 32-34 inch waist I will trade you a TM light straight across..

If it will fit.. is that what you were saying Evo? I'm not sure.. It's a Large & i was swimming in the original XL I had.

What is the actual exact differences between the two older versions besides buckles & padding? Will the S.Light accept the fat boy comfort padding?

You know Evo.. I'm not sure I'd be a good candidate for a trade.. I'm still pretty undecided on the Non-Evo printed size.. Hence the reason the new Evo grabbed my eye with a larger sizing... I literally swing in & out of a 34 - 38 waist depending on the time of year & what Ive been doing for work. Obviously not over night, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, the MB XL was way too big, but for some reason i have a feeling the older TM maxed at 38 will give me trouble with extra layers in the cold. I'll keep it in mind though.

 

[Steve Connally]

I definitly don't get that happening. I have the newest version of the old one, if that makes any sense, I believe it had updated ANSI cobra buckles? Maybe they creep less than previous buckles.

Same version here too.