Documenting my hand-sewn eye process

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Not sure where you saw 6mm on sherrill's site you found 6mm ocean...

They are in fact 2 different things. The 6mm stuff is virtually impossible to find anymore. Used to be treestuff had it, last time i bought some it was through honeybros, and now they don't have it any more, so I'm honestly not sure if it's even available anymore. but it is definitely 6mm and not 8mm mislabeled.

Attached is a picture with ocean 6mm at the top, and some 8mm sirius and 10mm sirius for size comparison.

Im not following you there bud...
What is, "in fact they are two different things"...
Are you saying Sherrill is "in fact" selling 8mm Ocean Vectran? & The 6mm I'm talking about or looking for doesn't exist anymore? Hence "two different things".

Idk.. whatever it was that I saw, was labeled Ocean Vectran 8mm. Thus my question about it being mislabeled.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Finally finished this thing i was mucking about with.. it's 4 passes for sure.. but first three rows weren't as precise & I have no clue why i didn't finish the last three stitches in line with the others...wtf..?

Gotta find me some better heat shrink.. idk what happened to it but this stuff keeps splitting while shrinking. I think.... it had too many hot cold cycles in garage, which is frustrating cuz it ain't all that old.

Thimbles & floaty things

 

[theatertech87]

Are you saying Sherrill is "in fact" selling 8mm Ocean Vectran? & The 6mm I'm talking about or looking for doesn't exist anymore? Hence "two different things".

Idk.. whatever it was that I saw, was labeled Ocean Vectran 8mm. Thus my question about it being mislabeled.

Thats unfortunately exactly what i'm saying.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Thats unfortunately exactly what i'm saying.

So you've seen what I'm talking about then? If it is indeed 8mm with a Aramid/Poly cover & a Vectran core, that Cordage should technically be, super super strong..

However, they're listing the breaking strengths & descriptions as if it's 8mm Ocean Poly.. hence another reason I'm wondering if it's a just a typo.. But then it's the same price point as the larger 10mm ocean poly, so that would suggest to me that it's a specialty cord.. You know what i mean.. That ad has conflicting info all over the place..

 

[theatertech87]

If I remember right there was a 8mm and a 10mm that were polyester core, and there was a 6mm with a vectran cores.

https://www.teufelberger.com/en/ocean-polyester.html
https://www.teufelberger.com/en/ocean-vectran.html

There may have been an 8mm vectran, but I can't find reference to it outside sherrill's website. I could also be confusing it with bee line that had different cover/core combinations

 

[TimBr]

@Jimmycrackcorn; Thanks for posting all of those gorgeous photos of your beautiful rope work. You are just killing it.

Tim

 

[TimBr]

@moss; I have what may be a dumb question for you, a bit out of sync with the current topic of conversation in this thread. I recently purchased some needles from the source you recommended, Tippmann Industries, I think they are called.

(Here's the link: https://www.tippmannindustrial.com/)

They provided great service, a quality product, and attention to detail in fulfilling the order.

So, my dumb question is as follows. What method did you use to reduce the size of the base of the needle to allow it to fit into the Speedy Stitcher? It looks to me like it could take a long time to do, so I'm wondering if you found a relatively quick and easy way to do it, that will save me some struggling. Thanks in advance for any answers you choose to provide.

Tim

 

[SomethingWitty]

I don't remember what moss did, but you could load the tip in the chuck of a drill (maybe wrapped in tape to get a good bite) and wrap it in some medium grit sandpaper and have it smaller in a jiffy.

 

[moss]

I don't remember what moss did, but you could load the tip in the chuck of a drill (maybe wrapped in tape to get a good bite) and wrap it in some medium grit sandpaper and have it smaller in a jiffy.

That's much better than what I've done. I've clamped it down to the edge of my work bench with small C clamps and worked the shaft down with a Dremel/grinding stone bit.
-AJ

 

[TimBr]

Thanks a lot, @moss and @SomethingWitty for the great suggestions. They are much appreciated.

 

[moss]

Ever since someone posted this I've been drooling over it, someday.

https://tippmannindustrial.com/tippmann-boss-leather-sewing-machine/

Tough to know for sure but it looks like a sewer could finish a sewn eye in 15-30 minutes with this. The time saved over making a "hand-made" locking stitch looks to be significant.

We probably need our own sewing section on the buzz, feel bad that this thread is currently dominating the splicing forum. Com'on people someone must have some cool splices to show off!

Also Mark's Fids and Fibers is coming up soon in Weare, New Hampster! Check it out:

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/fidsfi...onsored-by-sheltertreecom-tickets-39718084861

-AJ

 

[Gymnast]

Can someone measure the length of the shank part of the needle to the Speedy Stitcher? I like to find an applicable needle from a needle manufacturer with right shank diameter.

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

If I remember right there was a 8mm and a 10mm that were polyester core, and there was a 6mm with a vectran cores.

https://www.teufelberger.com/en/ocean-polyester.html
https://www.teufelberger.com/en/ocean-vectran.html

There may have been an 8mm vectran, but I can't find reference to it outside sherrill's website. I could also be confusing it with bee line that had different cover/core combinations

Yes.. right.. there IS a 8 & 10 Ocean Poly. It's very popular & is available everywhere.. so common it's even rebranded at certain places.

As far as the Vectran goes, I've personally never heard it referenced as 8mm nor have I seen it in 8mm.. Hence my original statement/question wondering if it it's just a typo over at Sherrill or actually 8mm Vectran. To which, you explained 6mm & 8mm Vectran are two different items & that it is "in fact", not a typo.

I just want to know what it is they are selling.. it's labeled as Ocean Vectran but has a description & specs of 8mm Ocean Poly... I suspect Sherrill is just being lazy in their site editing & it's just Ocean Poly. It just doesn't make sense it's the same cost as the 10mm ocean poly. Which would suggest it's the opposite of what i suspect & actually some new 8mm Vectran Cordage, but the fact i can't find 8mm Ocean Poly on their site suggest the Ocean Vectran is a typo & their just gouging on 8mm Ocean Poly.. which doesn't suprise me considering the insane markup at all the arb vendors here in the states.

 

[TimBr]

Can someone measure the length of the shank part of the needle to the Speedy Stitcher? I like to find an applicable needle from a needle manufacturer with right shank diameter.

Hey, Gymnast! I'm not exactly sure how to answer your question, so I'm going to start listing some measurements and hope that one of them is the answer you are looking for. If not, ask additional questions and I'll try again. All of my measurements will be in inches, as I'm an American, and do not have a metric tape measure handy at the moment. I hope that is not a problem.

First, the total length of one of the original needles that came with the Speedy Stitcher is about 2 & 3/16ths inches from end to end.

Second, the amount of that length that gets inserted into the Speedy Stitcher at a maximum is 1/2 of one inch.

Third, the length of straight shaft on the needle before it gets to the tip, where it flares out to form the working end of the needle, is about 1 & 5/8ths inches.

Fourth, the length of the working end or "eye" of the needle is about 9/16ths of one inch.

Fifth, the diameter of the shaft appears to me to be approximately 3/32nds of one inch. (This is just a guess, as my tape measure only goes down to 16ths of an inch. The shaft diameter is more than 1/16th and less than 2/16ths of one inch.)

Those are about all of the measurements that it occurs to me to try to give to you at this point in time. I hope one of them is the answer you are looking for.

Tim

 

[Gymnast]

No problem with inches - I have got a calculator . Please look here for a reference to naming of some needle parts: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sewing_machine_needle



You may find small variations in naming - and many needle types do not have the flat side on the shank. I have got a reference, that the shank diameter should be close to 2.0 mm for the Speedy Stitcher. So it is the shank length I need - and you say 1/2 inch. I like to know this length with an accurate figure to what the Speedy Stitcher need. The actual length of the shank of the supplied needles with the stitcher may be longer than what is needed.

Another dimension often used is from the butt end of the needle to the eye.

 

[Gymnast]

The needle I have for you is a 7x3 180 with the shaft diameter reduced to fit a Speedy Stitcher.
-AJ

The Shank (not shaft) diameter of a 7x3 needle is 2.5 mm. The Speedy Stitcher is designed for 2.0 mm in diameter. That is why moss needs to grind the shank part of this needle type.

 

[Gymnast]

I think these 3 types of needles may work well with the Speedy Stitcher for use on rope or fabric. I have tried to find the longest needles and with no sharp point on needle.

160/23 size needle with regular point, Ø2.0mm shank and 48,5 mm from butt to eye:
Sold from: https://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NDL-730752

Description: https://my.groz-beckert.com/irj/portal/sewing#navurl://883c12ee6117b6739051dc523b91b68e

180/24 size needle with regular point, Ø2.0 mm shank and 48,5 mm from butt to eye:
Sold from: https://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NDL-730762

Description: https://my.groz-beckert.com/irj/portal/sewing#navurl://883c12ee6117b6739051dc523b91b68e

200/25 size needle with regular point, Ø2.0 mm shank and 44,5 mm from butt to eye:
Sold from: https://www.thethreadexchange.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NDL-756612

Description: https://my.groz-beckert.com/irj/portal/sewing#navurl://883c12ee6117b6739051dc523b91b68e

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Im currently using this one.. I think it's a good middle of the road needle.. No need for modification, fits larger thread, etc.. However even though I've snapped a couple being abusive with them, i do wish it was a bit skinnier for second & third passes on smaller cordage's..

10pics Organ 135x17 Walking Foot... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001V8IYNU?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_sharehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190123/d61584239aa77640d2fc13136c842086.jpg[/I

Also, for those that are looking for actual specific measurements, I know Organ has exact numbers on allot of their popular models. You just have to fish it out at their site.. it's on there somewhere, i can't remember exactly where, but they have downloadable master chart with all the info one could need.

 

[Gymnast]

Hi [U]Jimmycrackcorn[/U] . The reason why I did not selected the 135x17 type needle is, that it is rather short. It is only 39 mm from butt to eye. The alternative is about 9 mm longer.

/Viggo

 

[Jimmycrackcorn]

Hi [U]Jimmycrackcorn[/U] . The reason why I did not selected the 135x17 type needle is, that it is rather short. It is only 39 mm from butt to eye. The alternative is about 9 mm longer.

/Viggo

Idk man.. seems to work fine for me.. 1/2in.. 8mm.. whateve.. the length has never been an issue lock stitching... If anything it could be skinnier & shorter for my smaller Cordages.