New Toro Tx 1000 Wide Track

Vermer grapple is king imo. We lock and unlock the grapple a million times a day. So much easier to run it like a brush style grapple if you have the room. It allivates the need for two grapples also. Clamping power is far superior. I dono why it gets a bad wrap, maybe it's the 3k price tag?
 
It needs to be said since I owned both at the same time that the BMG doesn't open wide enough to get a big bouquet of branches to drag to the chipper. You will be lucky to grab 2 or 3 while you fumble to get the pinchers to drop below the stems to grab some. Simply does not open wide enough to drag multiple branches (which is what you have after limbing).

Take 20' or so of old climbing line and attach a heavy duty snap to it....run the line around 10 or 12 big branches or more and snap it back onto itself(a r Bowline works too) then tighten it up and then attach to a porty on the clam grapple while down and cinch as tight as possible and lock off. Pick up a mass pile of branches and drag them to the chipper. TX 1000 moves houses.

As for say you bomb out a big TD and you have logs everywhere. You get Dustin or Justin or Josh or whoever is your grounddoggy that week to get all the brush out. Then you can run the clam grapple (mine is a Toro) into the logs and grab 2 or 3 after they align themselves.

BMG is a major pain in the ass. Flops all over and is just like trying to grab a stuffed animal in those games in restaurants where you can never get one. It is certainly useful...but second rate. Dealers and likely forum owners that are paid by them will disagree.

If you have to run a long log between 2 tight buildings like in the pictures...that is the only place the bmg beats the clam...but how often is that a problem? And much easier to load the logs sideways into a dump trailer with the clam than with it sticking out like a weinie in front of you.
 
How many hours did you put on the BMG? I can't imagine it was more than the time you've spent in the collective years you've been telling the 1200+ happy BMG owners they're wrong. Your dissenting viewpoint doesn't pique my interest, your tenacious negativity merits comment.

*I sell them, and have spent thousands of hours running them on a few handfuls of machines doing tree work (couple hours this week). I understand why I like the BMG and why I promote them. I don't understand your energy level.
 
That is the BMG in the video that is used on mini skids and small articulated loaders.

The HD BMG is for larger machines, although its geometry is nearly identical, it does squeeze harder though.
 
Get the Dingo and forego all the down time ...and despite the expert opinion of part time tree guy part time equipment salesman...the clam grapple is far superior to the non power rotating BMG...Big Money Goofup :-)



Signed: Mr. Tenacious Negative Dispenser (AKA...Real World Tree Guy)
 
treevet said:
It needs to be said since I owned both at the same time that the BMG doesn't open wide enough to get a big bouquet of branches to drag to the chipper. You will be lucky to grab 2 or 3 while you fumble to get the pinchers to drop below the stems to grab some. Simply does not open wide enough to drag multiple branches (which is what you have after limbing).

Take 20' or so of old climbing line and attach a heavy duty snap to it....run the line around 10 or 12 big branches or more and snap it back onto itself(a r Bowline works too) then tighten it up and then attach to a porty on the clam grapple while down and cinch as tight as possible and lock off. Pick up a mass pile of branches and drag them to the chipper. TX 1000 moves houses.

As for say you bomb out a big TD and you have logs everywhere. You get Dustin or Justin or Josh or whoever is your grounddoggy that week to get all the brush out. Then you can run the clam grapple (mine is a Toro) into the logs and grab 2 or 3 after they align themselves.

BMG is a major pain in the ass. Flops all over and is just like trying to grab a stuffed animal in those games in restaurants where you can never get one. It is certainly useful...but second rate. Dealers and likely forum owners that are paid by them will disagree.

If you have to run a long log between 2 tight buildings like in the pictures...that is the only place the bmg beats the clam...but how often is that a problem? And much easier to load the logs sideways into a dump trailer with the clam than with it sticking out like a weinie in front of you.
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I think you were going at it wrong.
I can grab massive piles of brush.
Drag them or pick them up, then drop on the chipper deck and one more grab and shove a few feet out and it's in.
Big enough to choke our 1890 down.
Length is no matter.
The grab occurs only a few feet from the end of the pile where all the butts must be same length and piled no wider then opening of the grapple.

As for loading logs. With the bmg you can load them sideways over a trailer's side, just like a clam...but better cause you can reach more. That said, I find it much easier to stuff my weinie in from behind with the bmg.

Can I upload a vid direct or do I have to do YouTube first?
 
That's the whole issue as I see it frashdog. Lumberjack's vid is all staged, choreographed, and edited. The brush needs be long and thin, stems clean and seperated from other brush not being grabbed and compacted to mate with the opening of the BMG.

To me it is a no brainer that log picking is much better with a "clam" grapple...but to grab a whole mass of brush in a residential tree job...it is much easier to just choke a bunch with a rope, lash it to the "clam" and raise it and then drag it...as opposed to the contrived perfect pile necessary for the BMG. Sure dealers and owners are gonna say it is super...but which is best? I think NOT the BMG.
 
frashdog said:
As for loading logs. With the bmg you can load them sideways over a trailer's side, just like a clam...but better cause you can reach more. That said, I find it much easier to stuff my weinie in from behind with the bmg.
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You can reach out more but the log will be oriented lower. So less clearance over sides of trucks/trailers and over other logs already loaded.
 
treevet said:
Take 20' or so of old climbing line and attach a heavy duty snap to it....run the line around 10 or 12 big branches or more and snap it back onto itself(a r Bowline works too) then tighten it up and then attach to a porty on the clam grapple while down and cinch as tight as possible and lock off. Pick up a mass pile of branches and drag them to the chipper. TX 1000 moves houses.
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treevet said:
It needs to be said since I owned both at the same time that the BMG doesn't open wide enough to get a big bouquet of branches to drag to the chipper. You will be lucky to grab 2 or 3 while you fumble to get the pinchers to drop below the stems to grab some. Simply does not open wide enough to drag multiple branches (which is what you have after limbing).

Take 20' or so of old climbing line and attach a heavy duty snap to it....run the line around 10 or 12 big branches or more and snap it back onto itself(a r Bowline works too) then tighten it up and then attach to a porty on the clam grapple while down and cinch as tight as possible and lock off. Pick up a mass pile of branches and drag them to the chipper. TX 1000 moves houses.

As for say you bomb out a big TD and you have logs everywhere. You get Dustin or Justin or Josh or whoever is your grounddoggy that week to get all the brush out. Then you can run the clam grapple (mine is a Toro) into the logs and grab 2 or 3 after they align themselves.

BMG is a major pain in the ass. Flops all over and is just like trying to grab a stuffed animal in those games in restaurants where you can never get one. It is certainly useful...but second rate. Dealers and likely forum owners that are paid by them will disagree.

If you have to run a long log between 2 tight buildings like in the pictures...that is the only place the bmg beats the clam...but how often is that a problem? And much easier to load the logs sideways into a dump trailer with the clam than with it sticking out like a weinie in front of you.
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You and I have had BMG vs clam discussions before.

Not paid here, daily residential tree owner/operator. I used to cinch limbs like you say above, though I used pallet forks. The BMG is a lot faster and easier. Branch butts don't have to be perfectly aligned, and only have to be close when feeding into a chipper.

When rigging the brush gets lowered into appropriate sized piles, and orientated properly (no different than if dragging by hand...just larger)

BMG is just so much more versatile then other grapples out there. Multiple videos of our mini, with a BMG, at work on our YouTube pages.
 
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