Need help with Id

Baja Mike · Mar 20, 2016

Need help Id ing this oak located northern NJ near a river if that helps as a clue
Thanks Mike

GlennButler · Mar 20, 2016

Did you find acorns under the tree? Because the twig doesn't look like any oaks I recognize in Virginia. Nature always seems to have exceptions, but I've never identified any oaks in Virginia that don't have a cluster of buds at the terminal tip.

Baja Mike · Mar 20, 2016

Correct this does not have a cluster must not be an oak.This one has me puzzled
It's approximately 50' tall
There's 2 of them to the right of the ball
Thanks guys

FJR · Mar 20, 2016

It looks like it may be Nyssa sylvatica.

oldoakman · Mar 20, 2016

I am thinking hickory, possibly shellbark hickory.

Treezybreez · Mar 21, 2016

I'm guessing Aesculus possibly glabra.

robinia · Mar 21, 2016

Maybe Liquidambar?
It would be nice to see a cross section of the twigs.
Any fruit around?

oldoakman · Mar 21, 2016

robinia said:
Maybe Liquidambar?
It would be nice to see a cross section of the twigs.
Any fruit around?

At first look at the buds I thought the same thing if the tree was in the south, but in new Jersey they would/should have cork wings on the twigs. Also the lower trunk bark doesn't look like sweet gum.

robinia · Mar 21, 2016

oldoakman said:
At first look at the buds I thought the same thing if the tree was in the south, but in new Jersey they would/should have cork wings on the twigs. Also the lower trunk bark doesn't look like sweet gum.

And no fruit. There would be tons on those trees.
I was also thinking Nyssa sylvatica but the bark looks all wrong.
Can't be Aesculus with that alternate branching.
...?

GlennButler · Mar 22, 2016

The leaf scars (with three vascular bundles) in the first picture you posted seem to match Nyssa sylvatica, but as robinia said, the bark doesn't resemble the smaller blackgums I've seen.

Baja Mike · Mar 23, 2016

Nyssa has got me on more than one occasion.
It's not that.I have to go back up to the site to look for more clues but has to be a hickory of sorts as I broke a branch by hand and it was hard to separate.The thing that getting me is I know shagbarks super easy ID don't know how I could of missed it unless the tree took on a different form because of growing conditions.
I'm calling it Carya Sp. for now.
Thanks