Climbers for Christ

TreeLogic said:
Nope. I have 66 different books packed with true prophecies and validated history which tell me so. The atheist has blind faith.
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Treelogic, I was just pointing out your argument didn't make sense, it's just one of those quotes from those 'How to debate with an atheist' youtube videos, we're all wise to that base level approach these days.

For the record I don't really have too many issues with modern Christianity. I do find the intensity of some born again Christians very off-putting, extreme at times. I have in the past felt very uncomfortable in the presence of born again Christians. There is something unreasonable about their behaviour.

I think at the very least a basic Christian ethos is far preferable to Islam with it's totalitarian leanings.

Christianity still has a lot to offer humanity especially when politically correct secularism has allowed a militant version of Islam to flourish under the guise of multiculturalism - a fanciful ideology which has been an abject failure in Europe and the problem is now reaching boiling point. Western civilisation, particularly modern socialist Europe definitely got it wrong with multiculturalism, it should have promoted multi-ethnicity instead but what we now have is an absurd situation where Islamic values are now to be seen as equal to Western values which is an insult to everyone who has ever fought and died for the freedom to criticise ideas, a freedom which is notably absent in Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran.

I just hope good old fashioned western capitalism will nullify the spread of militant Islam. If the big corporations begin to enter the fray the armies of God will not stand a chance.
 
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And to think I promised myself I would stay out of this thread. :endesacuerdo:

As far as YouTube videos go, I don't see a problem with that. We all learn a great deal of useful information there. It's a great educational tool as long as you know how to filter through the BS. Anyway, I'm confident of my foundation in apologetics.
 
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The divine man we know as Jesus said to love our brothers as ourselves. It is a teaching that should be central to the way we live our lives. Not because we have to or because it is demanded of us. But because we want to. It is a choice

Yet, if we take a deep, deep look at our thinking as a whole; we fail and fail again to follow this one teaching. We continue to see each other as separate from one another. Surely not a brotherhood but slaughterhouse indeed. And our world is perceived as shattered, for it is a reflection of how and what we think. United we stand, separate we fall.

How wonderful it will look when we see one another, just the same as the creator looks upon all humans...with unconditional love. Phew! What an idea!
 
TC said:
Treelogic, I was just pointing out your argument didn't make sense, it's just one of those quotes from those 'How to debate with an atheist' youtube videos, we're all wise to that base level approach these days.

For the record I don't really have too many issues with modern Christianity. I do find the intensity of some born again Christians very off-putting, extreme at times. I have in the past felt very uncomfortable in the presence of born again Christians. There is something unreasonable about their behaviour.

I think at the very least a basic Christian ethos is far preferable to Islam with it's totalitarian leanings.

Christianity still has a lot to offer humanity especially when politically correct secularism has allowed a militant version of Islam to flourish under the guise of multiculturalism - an fanciful ideology which has been an abject failure in Europe and the problem is now reaching boiling point. Western civilisation, particularly modern socialist Europe definitely got it wrong with multiculturalism, it should have promoted multi-ethnicity instead but what we now have is an absurd situation where Islamic values are now to be seen as equal to Western values which is an insult to everyone who has ever fought and died for the freedom to criticise ideas, a freedom which is notably absent in Islamic states such as Saudi Arabia and Iran.

I just hope good old fashioned western capitalism will nullify the spread of militant Islam. If the big corporations begin to enter the fray the armies of God will not stand a chance.
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Amen to that!
 
Do a little research. The gospels were written 75 to 150 years after the death of Christ. Only a few Gospels were actually chosen to form the King James Bible. Several gospels were thrown out during the creation of this version because they were out of canon. Among these gospels some claim there was no resurrection, some claim Christ was married and some claim he had a brother. The only strong evidence as recorded in Roman record was that their was a Jewish cleric around the year 0 that had developed a strong following. The rest is mythology.
 
Try doing a search of non-believers who tried proving the bible was invalid and became believers. How about a search of evolutionists turned creationists. What about the chemists, biologists, physicists, and neurosurgeons who believe? Are they idiots? How about Isaac Newton?
 
marlinspiker said:
Do a little research. The gospels were written 75 to 150 years after the death of Christ. Only a few Gospels were actually chosen to form the King James Bible. Several gospels were thrown out during the creation of this version because they were out of canon. Among these gospels some claim there was no resurrection, some claim Christ was married and some claim he had a brother. The only strong evidence as recorded in Roman record was that their was a Jewish cleric around the year 0 that had developed a strong following. The rest is mythology.
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So Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote them 150 years after Christ's death, and resurrection? Four different people who all saw the same thing and gave four entirely personal, yet similar accounts of what they witnessed and lived? Hmmmm....where is your evidence of this please?
 
The one thing that bothers me most about religion is the multitude of forms it takes on. It would seem to me that if an all powerful, omnipotent presence delivered a message to the people of the earth about how to follow him he would lay it out in absolutes, not in vagaries that can be reinterpreted, misinterpreted, and fabricated into the plethora of religious followings that exist today.
 
There is a hypothesized precursor gospel that the canonical gospels are thought to have as a shared origin that explains the similarities And this theory is derived from textual analysis. It is called Quelle or Q.
 
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