I am in the market for a new saddle. I currently use the Master2. My two main choices are the new Master Deluxe, or the Glide. I don't like the idea of climbing on the Butterly with the clevis connections. Does anyone have any other suggestions or experiences?
Don't pass on giving the BFII a flight check. You'll probably find it more comfortable than the Glide. The BFII is a very popular saddle for good reason.
The shackles should not be a concern. If I'm not mistaken they're stronger than the aluminum rings. A lot of people have been using the saddle with no reports of the shackles opening. Adding a drop of LocTite will give you loads of piece of mind if that's necessary.
Saddle preferences are quite personal. FWIW I find the standard Master II slightly more comfortable than the Pro series.-The pro has fancier hardware but isn't necessarily more commodius. Most of the feedback I've gotten on the Glide is lukewarm but the BFII gets lots of rave reviews and a few negatives. The NewTribe Work saddle is VERY comfortable-to me and just about everyone who has tried it. Happy hunting.
I'm one of the lesser experienced and knowledgeable dudes here compared to lots of guys...but, I am part of a pretty elite group of fellows by virtue of the fact that I, too, ride in a Ness...the NEW TRIBE PROGEAR SADDLE.
Folks like Stumper, Burnham, Lumberjack, SOTC and others I can't remember right now...they all use the Ness. It is comfortable, has plenty of places to hang gear (no wisecracks here, please) and has worked well for me.
hippy;
no im playin
a hippy ncef friend of mine has a saddle like that and loves it way better than my heavy ol weaver wideback;
im thinking bout switchin to one thats much lighter and doesnt push my legs together .
good luck and
dump the redhead
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I'm one of the lesser experienced and knowledgeable dudes here compared to lots of guys...but, I am part of a pretty elite group of fellows by virtue of the fact that I, too, ride in a Ness...the NEW TRIBE PROGEAR SADDLE.
Folks like Stumper, Burnham, Lumberjack, SOTC and others I can't remember right now...they all use the Ness. It is comfortable, has plenty of places to hang gear (no wisecracks here, please) and has worked well for me.
I don't know if connecting to the shackles on the BFII is factory sanctioned. Harnesses are tested and certified in certain configurations. If you use the harness in another configuration you're on your own.
I can't see any reason that the shackles wouldn't support you. They are plenty strong and the harness loops are too.
Depends what you mean by adjustable. There's an adjustable strap on the back of each leg to control how high or low the pad is on the back of your leg. The circumference around your thigh is not adjustable and isn't intended to be. The leg straps on a Ness are supposed to be loose, they work best that way. It's completely different than a BII or Glide where you want the straps on the snug side.
-moss
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does the BFII have biner pass through points along the waist line? How many places are there to attach gear in the back?
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BFII has three soft loop attachments around the back. It has a small metal ring on a short piece of webbing on each side and stainless steel D's. There are no biner "pass thrus" on the waist that I know of unless I'm unaware of a feature on my own saddle.
-moss
After using a Blair Ultralight for eternity I finally broke down and went for something more versatile and suited to my climbing style. I tried out the BF but was more comfortable when hanging and working with the Glide. I love the easy adjustability and the placement of the leg clips. I did make a modification and put two aluminum rings on the bridge of the Glide which I guess makes it more of a Gliderfly or Butterglide.
Nick sewed a really nice looking bridge for his harness. he took a webbing loop, sewed in loops for the front. he can also clip around the webbing for a sliding attachment.
he posted pics on Treehouse, maybe he will post here too.
i climbed in an old weaver sliding d forever, switched to the master (old one) and then the glide. and then i found the treemagic by edelrid. love love love the treemagic. lightest saddle i own (6?), completely ridiculously adjustable but doesn't slip out of adjustment, sixty-eleven attachment points and comfy. i've hung a big saw off it before and it pulled down a bit more than the old standards, but i'm kinda tired of big removals anyway .
k.
i def agree with kathy although she must have a newer version than me as i only have sixty-ten points.
only thing id say is i wouldnt advise it if you're a climber who likes to hang in the saddle too much