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I've seen this stuff advertised in magazines called Thrive? What is it? What does it work for? Is it "snake-oil"? Just curiosity getting the best of me.
What is THRIVE?
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cerviarborist
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I have yet to see a peer-reviewed paper published on it. All I've ever seen are uncontrolled, anecdotal, non-specific "testimonials" except that non of the testimonials were given by any specific person.
Seems like a lubricant extracted from legless reptiles to me.
Seems like a lubricant extracted from legless reptiles to me.
cerviarborist
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What is Thrive?
about $200 a gallon
about $200 a gallon
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I have seen the ad for years too! I took a class at expo this year given by Dr. Smiley. They tested this product as well as some other like products... The bad news is fellows, there was almost no measurable difference with control groups. Now obviously my memory of the details has erroded since expo but im here to tell you i was a little dissappointed and i must confess i have used these types of products thinking that they worked!!! OOPs!! A bitter pill for someone who only ever tries to do what is right!! I was actually shocked.. Anyhow i am certain if you look up the class schedule for expo you can find the proper research.
I came away thinking i did not want to waste my or my clients money on this stuff.obtw, it included compost teas as well!!!
Best thing is root invigoration with air spade etc.
I came away thinking i did not want to waste my or my clients money on this stuff.obtw, it included compost teas as well!!!
Best thing is root invigoration with air spade etc.
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Yes!! snake oil indeed
tomthetreeman
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I use thrive and the tree whisperer exclusively for all of my tree treatments.
Just kidding.
-Tom
Just kidding.
-Tom
cerviarborist
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- Florida, USA
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I use thrive and the tree whisperer exclusively for all of my tree treatments.
Just kidding.
-Tom
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Trees don't respond to snake oil, unless you fondle them too.
I use thrive and the tree whisperer exclusively for all of my tree treatments.
Just kidding.
-Tom
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Trees don't respond to snake oil, unless you fondle them too.
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- Foothills of NC
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I have yet to see a peer-reviewed paper published on it. All I've ever seen are uncontrolled, anecdotal, non-specific "testimonials" except that non of the testimonials were given by any specific person.
Seems like a lubricant extracted from legless reptiles to me.
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As we all know, most anything that is pumped up so much in the advertising usually is not as great as made out to be. Thanks.
I have yet to see a peer-reviewed paper published on it. All I've ever seen are uncontrolled, anecdotal, non-specific "testimonials" except that non of the testimonials were given by any specific person.
Seems like a lubricant extracted from legless reptiles to me.
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As we all know, most anything that is pumped up so much in the advertising usually is not as great as made out to be. Thanks.
guymayor
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I got 5 bottles of this stuff--samples were being given away at, of all places, the ASCA meeting. I heard 2 testimonials from ASCAns saying it worked--anecdotal of course.
re bartlett's look at this and compost tea etc, the sample size and controls and variables involved made the conclusions less than ironclad. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the only treatment validated was the one they patented?
the tree whisperer has a good understanding of VTA and body language--after a weekend class with them i came away with new and useful ways to look at and touch trees. of course their failure to incorporate biology into their practice makes it a bit sketchy.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I wouldn't toss the snake oil label around so casually, until I know it all...
re bartlett's look at this and compost tea etc, the sample size and controls and variables involved made the conclusions less than ironclad. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the only treatment validated was the one they patented?
the tree whisperer has a good understanding of VTA and body language--after a weekend class with them i came away with new and useful ways to look at and touch trees. of course their failure to incorporate biology into their practice makes it a bit sketchy.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. I wouldn't toss the snake oil label around so casually, until I know it all...
cerviarborist
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- Florida, USA
With a name like Smuckers, it's got to be good.
tomthetreeman
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Do you think it's just a coincidence that the only treatment validated was the one they patented?
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Hi-larious. They are so over the top with their sales overtures. Weak.
I was just having fun with the tree whisperer comment. No disrespect meant. More funnin' with the name than anything.
-Tom
Do you think it's just a coincidence that the only treatment validated was the one they patented?
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Hi-larious. They are so over the top with their sales overtures. Weak.
I was just having fun with the tree whisperer comment. No disrespect meant. More funnin' with the name than anything.
-Tom
KentuckySawyer
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re bartlett's look at this and compost tea etc, the sample size and controls and variables involved made the conclusions less than ironclad. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the only treatment validated was the one they patented?
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Agreed.
re bartlett's look at this and compost tea etc, the sample size and controls and variables involved made the conclusions less than ironclad. Do you think it's just a coincidence that the only treatment validated was the one they patented?
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Agreed.
Impossible to say, they're not.
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...it included compost teas as well!!!
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Really? Compost teas were a crock?
How about worm castings teas? Anyone know much about worm casting teas?
...it included compost teas as well!!!
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Really? Compost teas were a crock?
How about worm castings teas? Anyone know much about worm casting teas?
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i usually just save up the crews poop when they go in the truck....Its already mixed with chips .... the stuff is awesome it actually gives us a chance to give the customers some crap!! ha ha ......of course im kidding!!
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Actually I did take it with a grain of salt about the Bartlett guy saying what he said..... It really sucks that we cant seem to get the straight dope from anyone about anything in this world.....WHY does everyone have an agenda???!!ughh!
I know a really good bonsai guy that uses thrive and loves the stuff. He often takes a big overgrown juniper or similar specie that someone wants to remove from their landscape, transplants it, trims it and uses thrive to keep it alive through the harsh transition. He has great success.
I have always wondered about the "big" guys and their testing.
A lot of small operations make compost teas for sale. Also Thrive is not something the "big guys" own or sell, so....
Would it make sense to do tests in a way that shows no positive results for a product that they don't apply and sell?
I'm not saying they do or don't, but I've always wondered if it could be tainted.
I have always wondered about the "big" guys and their testing.
A lot of small operations make compost teas for sale. Also Thrive is not something the "big guys" own or sell, so....
Would it make sense to do tests in a way that shows no positive results for a product that they don't apply and sell?
I'm not saying they do or don't, but I've always wondered if it could be tainted.
cerviarborist
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- Florida, USA
I wonder if plants that seem to benefit from applications of Superthrive, are in fact, just benefitting from having conscientious care given to them. Seems that someone who'd shell out $200 for a gallon of stuff, would probably be someone committed to seeing that their plant material received proper irrigation, aeration etc. (things that actually do make a huge difference)
And honestly, if superthrive had something better to say about their product than a printed version of a carnival barkers shilling, they've had over 50 years to come up with it. I know they helped win WWII, but what have they come up with lately?
"This way to the egress"
And honestly, if superthrive had something better to say about their product than a printed version of a carnival barkers shilling, they've had over 50 years to come up with it. I know they helped win WWII, but what have they come up with lately?
"This way to the egress"
NickfromWI
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I tried it on a few trees and liked what I saw. I'll use it again when the opportunity arises.
$200/gallon might sound like a TON of $, but keep in mind that it is intended to be used super dilluted. For typical use, that $200 worth of juice would get diluted into over 4,000 gallons of water. If I give a tree 200 gallons of water, it'll only cost me about $20 of product to treat the water before giving it to the tree.
Maybe we should put together our own acceptable test?
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nick
$200/gallon might sound like a TON of $, but keep in mind that it is intended to be used super dilluted. For typical use, that $200 worth of juice would get diluted into over 4,000 gallons of water. If I give a tree 200 gallons of water, it'll only cost me about $20 of product to treat the water before giving it to the tree.
Maybe we should put together our own acceptable test?
love
nick
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- AZ
Ah man, you guys are talking about superthrive? I've always wondered about that stuff. It's on the back page of every tree publication I've ever seen! The marketing is ridiculous, and I just don't get it. What the hell is in it??
