VT Hitch transforming

Joeybagodonuts · Oct 27, 2019

Brocky said:
Bailout isn’t stiff because of the way it is braided, both the cover and core

The difference in strength is more due to the type of construction of the cord, than the materials, polyester is weaker than technora. I guess the longer the braids the stronger it is, due to fewer and not as sharp of bends. The Bailout is a double braid, while Icetail is a single braid, also.
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I concur with everything you've said here.. but going off that same theory, you wanna know what's wild?

Nevermind.. I'm just going to delete this comparison.. totally had the wrong product in mind.

I will say this though.. i wish manufacturers would list breaking strengths for both cover & core + the obvious normal completed cordage. I feel alot of these cordages have useful characteristics beyond just the core & cover together.. I know you mix & match things quite often Brock. This would indeed be helpful.

Brocky · Oct 27, 2019

More technical info would help, like the percentages of the core and cover.
When I replace a core it is a single braid bought separately, with a known break strength. If there is any added strength from the cover, it’s a bonus, not a requirement.

Bart_ · Oct 27, 2019

Well, the frayed end wasn't broken bungee, just the knot came undone so bungee has a long lifespan. Brocky, I had some exposure to rope construction once upon a time but x2 loss for braid angle seems excessive. Also, all the ice tail fibers look the same so I'm trying to figure out where the 20% polyester is hiding. The bailout inner and outer both look like kevlar too.

For fun, take a lighter to the ends of the inner and outer bailout and see if they just char and don't melt. Then we know they're kevlar. I'm thinking Samson has typos.

Joey, be careful about matching termination type to cordage re issue of slippery fibers, load bearing, spliceability etc. I think dyneema and vectran have issues, particularly dyneema if you've ever touched the stuff. I don't recall the CE cordage type.

Joeybagodonuts · Oct 28, 2019

Bart_ said:
Well, the frayed end wasn't broken bungee, just the knot came undone so bungee has a long lifespan. Brocky, I had some exposure to rope construction once upon a time but x2 loss for braid angle seems excessive. Also, all the ice tail fibers look the same so I'm trying to figure out where the 20% polyester is hiding. The bailout inner and outer both look like kevlar too.

For fun, take a lighter to the ends of the inner and outer bailout and see if they just char and don't melt.
Then we know they're kevlar. I'm thinking Samson has typos.

Joey, be careful about matching termination type to cordage re issue of slippery fibers, load bearing, spliceability etc. I think dyneema and vectran have issues, particularly dyneema if you've ever touched the stuff. I don't recall the CE cordage type.

Where do you think the typos are?

I appreciate your concern my friend but i didnt really follow what you were trying to say.. Maybe I'll explain what i said better, so you can respond?

The CE lanyard i referenced is a parallel construction type-A rescue cordage core with a Sirius Cover. I cut one of the eyes off to milk & rebalance the cover & core, as out of the 30ft, it had an obnoxious 10 -15ft of baggy twisting useless tail section sewn into it. In other words, you couldn't run a hitch over that section without binding the factory 8mm OP every single time. I also ditched the sewn 8mm OP e2e for just straight up unsewn 8mm OP hitch cord & "terminated" it the way Brocky was showing with that little pulley. The only difference was i used a Pinto & threaded the hitch cord to the inside. Regardless, I'm not aware of any cautionary tales for tying knots in OP... which is a aramid/poly cover with a braided poly core. Is there something i should be aware of regarding OP?