uSAVER will not retrieve.

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I’ve made a usaver with: 2 7/16 in steel ring, pinto pulley used with spacer, 10mm Sirius and 8mm I’ve tail. Usaver works as it should I’m hanging basket configuration and retrieved fine.

When used in choked configuration, the pulley will wedge into the stem of the tree and the ring at the same time, even though the pulley fits through the ring at all angles and can fit through without touching the ring at all.

Has anyone else encountered this problem? If so how did you fix!?
 
1st pic shows the ring compared to the pulley.
2nd shows overall system.
3rd shows the stuck usaver
 

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I have no experience with pulleysavers, but common sense tells me to have a little more slack in the system when set, so the pinto is further from the ring when choked.
Also putting the retrieval cord on the ring side and not the prusik side could help.
 
This is the one I have: 8’ version which is out of stock.

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Rope Logic uSAVER

The uSAVER, an idea by Tom Hoffmann, is a modern friction saver that is able to handle any tie in configuration you can imagine.
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It has always worked for me. I wonder if the rings are slightly larger on the TreeStuff version?

We use it as tie in point once ascended to the highest point with SRT, & then swap over to working line DRT.

Works great with a ZigZag.


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Doubled over the 10mm and put the pulley on the termination end instead of adjustable end, maybe this will work better, I’ll have to match the tension between the legs before loading
 

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I tried out the config with the pulley in termination end and it seemed to work better than having the pulley in the Prusik. I think the way I was retrieving was the problem, the shackle would get pulled down when retrieving and the pulley and ring would slide to the back of the stem and big onto tree. The way t is now it seems that the ring is just pulled over top of of the pulley?
 
Never used one either, but seems like you're choking it too tight. I think the pulley prusik needs to be set farther down towards the end so that as you retrieve it, the pulley will meet the ring before the ring has a chance to get pulled adjacent to the limb.
 
When retrieving a choked anchor with a small retrieval line, the attachment point to the large ring (or large D ring) works best when it is connected where the ring is attached to the sling, NOT the outer edge of the ring.

This might help you figure out a better way to retrieve it... it's a different application, but the problem is essentially the same. When the large ring can flop about in the direction of the anchor sling, it will slip right over a pulley, quicklink, etc. MUCH easier. The pics show a homemade canopy anchor that I use in both SRS and MRS and the small D ring attaches to either the eye of a climb line with a quicklink, or to an OmniBlock pulley.

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JeffGu said:
When retrieving a choked anchor with a small retrieval line, the attachment point to the large ring (or large D ring) works best when it is connected where the ring is attached to the sling, NOT the outer edge of the ring.

This might help you figure out a better way to retrieve it... it's a different application, but the problem is essentially the same. When the large ring can flop about in the direction of the anchor sling, it will slip right over a pulley, quicklink, etc. MUCH easier. The pics show a homemade canopy anchor that I use in both SRS and MRS and the small D ring attaches to either the eye of a climb line with a quicklink, or to an OmniBlock pulley.

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That looks like a great way to do it. I’ve tried so many configurations. A shorter prusik, a longer one, thinner host rope ( more room for pulley in the ring and different retrieval shackle lengths.

I keep trying it at work but it’ll never come down, boss just tells me to buy a ropeguide but I think I’m so close to it working!
 
Well, I use dedicated retrieval lines with them... anything 1/8" or even smaller... the heavy, yellow throwline works good... and I've always been able to pull them right down. Some folks don't like the retrieval line hanging there, apparently they think a big log will hit it and pull them out of the tree. That actually can't happen, but it is an extra line hanging there. Doesn't bother me in the least.

I can install them, as well as retrieve them, from the ground whether for SRT or DdRT and that's important to me. Mostly because I'm too old to be going up and down a tree any more than what is absolutely necessary. SRT, they install pretty much like a ring-and-ring friction saver. With the pulley and DdRT, there are a couple more steps and more retrieval line needed, but it's quite easy once you get the hang of it.

It really helps to screw a log to a board and hang it on the garage wall and play with them when you're having a problem... once you can see it right in front of you, you can jiggle stuff around and move it around and figure out how it NEEDS to work, instead of how you WANT it to work.
 
I used to use a throwline to retrieve my SRT canopy anchor and I always got fed up of it blowing around and getting snagged, but I suppose it would be nice to control two ends of the system to bring the thing down.

I normally go and use the small cypresses in my back garden because they simulate a nice high tie in point because of the small diameter. I’m going to give the retrieval tail on the ring end now and see if that’ll give me any joy.
 
Update: tried the retrieval link on the ring termination end and it works well. if the pulley got stuck in the old setup pulling and jiggling would only make it tighter. But with this (fingers crossed), from what I’ve seen the ring will be able to be jiggled over the pulley if it were to get stuck.

I was testing on the trees for about five minutes only didn’t get stuck once
 
They can be a pita.

Avoid choking tight is your best option. Best configuration is hanging it on a near horizontal Union with a bunch of slack

Made mine with Wesspurs pennsafe ring. Yours looks smaller and a little different.
 
evo said:
They can be a pita.

Avoid choking tight is your best option. Best configuration is hanging it on a near horizontal Union with a bunch of slack

Made mine with Wesspurs pennsafe ring. Yours looks smaller and a little different.
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I measure the ring and it is just under2 1/2 inches so I’d say 7/16 maybe or 2 1/4. The pulley fits through just fine.

The way I was retrieving was causing the pulley to jam on the tree and the ring. Perhaps the choke was too tight. I Acer had the chance to use the reconfigured version with the retrieval tail on the ring but it seems to work better from testing it
 
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