Tying into a spar...and it splits.

[Caballos]

I need a refresher on this please. Concerning tying into a spar and the spar splits...What do you do? How do you plan for this especially concerning your lanyard and your body being part of the circle of squish. Currently I tie in with a running bowline, that has a long tail with the bight of the bowline adjusted as far as possible away from me, so if the spar splits I have some rope for the expansion of the spare and, I use a friction hitch on my lanyard instead of a mechanical device that hopefully I can release under pressure.

 

[dylanclimbs]

If you're worried about that, then ratchet strap the spar at 5' (orrr whatever) intervals. Use an AFS (adjustable friction saver). It helps.

http://www.sherrilltree.com/Professional-Gear/Friction-Management

There are mechanical devices which release under tension.

Lots of poles split on ya?

 

[Caballos]

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Lots of poles split on ya?

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None yet but, I hear it's not fun. A friend suggested a AFS also but, he said he prefers the running bowline method now.

I also failed to clarify a running bowline is how I tie my climbing line in. Sorry for any confusion.

Is there anyway to be tied in twice and not have my body as part of the circle?

What about using a mini prusik with my lanyard hooked to my bridge instead of my D-ring? The lanyard goes around the spar and clips to the prusik, I'm tied in twice but my body is out of the squish zone.

Have you had one split on you?

 

[caleb]

I think the part you have to worry about is your lanyard, right? Straps are good. Also putting your lanyard on your bridge ring might work as well.
Also, a gri-gri or a grillon will release when the lever is pushed down which could very well happen if it got pushed up against something. Maybe not for sure, but a good chance anyway.

 

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[PrimeApe]

Never clip back to the same side D ring for work positioning. It wouldnt be a healthy way to be hanging if things went south. Place both ends of your lanyard in the center which takes you out of the ring of death

 

[willbranch]

To add to what primeape said, many side d's arent rated to be used as a single attachment. I replaced the bridge attachment rings with paws on my glide so I clip my lanyard on the paws and leave my climbing line looped around the spar and clipped into the center ring

 

[PrimeApe]

Hey Willbranch
Sounds like what you're doing doesnt meet the Z133 requirement. 2 points of attachment, at least one being a climbing system. The climbing system needs to be set in such a way as to allow for an escape route or allow you to be rescued.

 

[willbranch]

I use two points of attachment, climbing line is around the spar and clipped into my bridge and my lanyard is also around the spar and clipped into the paws. Two points right? And my climb line is set in a afs, left around a remaining knob, or choked using a midline loop with a long tail for retrieval and run in a single line fashion with an 8 above the hitch. I use the best method for the situation.......what doesn't comply? Or am I just really bad at wording these things

 

[Maui Palm & Tree Care]

what about tying a blakes hitch to cinch your rope to the trunk then have your decent system like a figure 8 or ATC locked off and use a lanyard with a hitch?

 

[PrimeApe]

Thats much more clear

You're good with any of those

 

[PrimeApe]

I'm confused Joshua

 

[Maui Palm & Tree Care]

rope goes around the spar and you tie it back to the tail with a blakes hitch to cinch it down.

 

[southsoundtree]

Sorta akin to a running bowline, JT?

 

[Maui Palm & Tree Care]

yeah! exactly

 

[treehumper]

the issue is with the lanyard, as most have said clip into the center ring such that the lanyard resembles another climbing system. You're outside the ring and the two lines will act to bind the split. You may consider a kerf cut below the hinge and around the sides beneath the hinge. If the tree starts to tear this can help to break it off before it reaches your system.

Use a bore cut where you have concerns about the trunk splitting.

 

[jduvall]

 

[Norm_Hall]

If there is any concern about a spar splitting, you should be using webbing binders.

 

[Maui Palm & Tree Care]

its funny cause when we do coconut palm removals you almost allways have to bore cut into the face cut to relive the compression that clamps your bar. anyone who does palms a lot is used to this procedure. it eliminates a vertical split. thought id share that with you guys.

 

[ryansenechal]

I think Treehumper hit the nail on the head. The answer lies in cutting techniques. If it's previously split and there's no other choice but to climb it, heavy duty ratchet straps and lots of em.

Running bowline and a grigri plus a work positioning lanyard is my go to for spar work, but ropeguides or adjustable ring n rings do a great job as well as far as keeping your body out of the circle of death as it was so aptly described.