Triple tie in for spar work

climbingmonkey24 · Jun 4, 2022

This is something I’ve experimented with in certain situations and at home after initially seeing something similar done in a video by Lawrence Shultz.

His video:

In my case, the climbing rope and second lanyard pulling towards the sides was enough support that I tried taking my regular lanyard off to see if it would support my weight and it supported my weight just fine just to give you an idea of how much extra support it can give you.

Standard setup on spar work assuming you don’t have a high tip above you would be lanyard around trunk and cinch your climb line around tree right for a lot of climbers? But your weight is on your lanyard and the climb line is simply just a backup.

In this setup, you cinch your climb line around the trunk as usual but push it towards the opposite side of the tree so that you can lean back into it and it supports your weight. Repeat the process with an additional tie in on the opposite side. The two tie ins pulling towards the sides act as extra support.

Now I’m NOT saying three tie ins are necessary. But for anyone who struggles getting comfy on spurs or maybe you’re in an awkward position on the spar, just another technique to consider. I feel like this might especially be useful on leaners, but I haven’t tried it out in that situation yet.

I just thought I’d share for anyone interested.

OBVIOUSLY adding extra TIP doesn’t replace actually practicing with spurs and getting more comfortable.

Reach · Jun 4, 2022

I like that idea, it seems it may add some stability in certain situations, especially when it’s windy or you might be expecting to go for a ride after taking a big top.

I’ve never done that, but I have used a cinched climbing line offset to one side to give me an extra point of contact for balance on a leaning tree, especially if I have to hang off the side of the tree for some reason.

Vicente · Jun 4, 2022

I usually run 2 flip lines one 540 wrapped so I can't slide down if I gaff out, my flip lines are 12 ft so it's pretty rare for me to do a removal where I can't wrap it but I have used a prussic and a piece of rope to connect the sides on the trees to big for my flip lines to accomplish the same thing.

TreeVB · Jun 4, 2022

The idea for stability seems great. However, having all three in the same “line of fire” seems pointless from a safety standpoint. If you have a slip with a full Reved saw it will easily go through all of them. If they are separated a bit there will be more of a “second chance” IMO.

climbingmonkey24 · Jun 4, 2022

TreeVB said:
The idea for stability seems great. However, having all three in the same “line of fire” seems pointless from a safety standpoint. If you have a slip with a full Reved saw it will easily go through all of them. If they are separated a bit there will be more of a “second chance” IMO.

That’s a good point, didn’t consider that, thanks for mentioning.

Serf Life · Jun 4, 2022

climbingmonkey24 said:
In this setup, you cinch your climb line around the trunk as usual but push it towards the opposite side of the tree so that you can lean back into it and it supports your weight.

I do that often srt with bdb. Much nicer with any lean and feels super stable. Then lanyard upper D’s wherever makes sense. A third seems unnecessary imo

Mowerr · Jun 4, 2022

Or just put a thimble prussik on your lanyard connected to the other side of your LANYARD In a way that chokes the opposite way your climb line is choking to get that same effect.

I've found In most situations choking one side or the other is enough but I can see certain situations where you could want more support or stability.

Many ways to achieve this so it's whatever works for you In that situation your in.

owScott · Jun 6, 2022

TreeVB said:
The idea for stability seems great. However, having all three in the same “line of fire” seems pointless from a safety standpoint. If you have a slip with a full Reved saw it will easily go through all of them. If they are separated a bit there will be more of a “second chance” IMO.

Agreed, all the ropes and lanyards together is not good, personally my climbline is 12-18" lower than my lanyard. For me foot position on the spar is where the stability comes from adding more gear to the set up just adds complications and time, but if thats what you need do what you need. In the video that groundie was way to close to the base of the tree any failure in the system that dude would have been finished.