Tree removal with crane

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Should have put the chipper where the crane was and vice versa.
2X on what SJ said.


Tony

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Tony the crane was parked there for two reasons 1. there was a driveway there and the ground wasn't exactly hard and 2. the crane can lift more when it's close to the objects that it is lifting. Got lots of experience with crane work especially with that crane and op. Just in a bit of a rush cuz we started late in the morning. Cheers and Happy New Year.
 
Thanks for posting Rickytree.

I thought rickytree was the cowboy hat guy from Canada, you the same one?

music was right out of my old CD favorites, it kept me watching.

not that you care, but I thought the video was mostly good crane picks except for at 1:52 and really didn't like 9:11.

1:52, a person could say the crane was big enough it didn't matter at all.

9:11, was a large amount of weight flipping. I doubt the crane op liked that one. If this is a promotional video, I'd have cut that clip from the video.

Three legged spider leg setup on 1:52 could have kept it nice and smooth, no roll and no swing to vertical.

Do you guys yell at each other a lot? A lot of tree services do, it just looked like you got pretty mad when the groundguy was standing in the wrong place when the crane was trying to get it to tilt.

Other than the two picks with movement, decent video. Thanks for posting.

On the subject of tree companies and crane companies:
I have heard that when many crane companies get called by a tree service, many of them have learned to just send an overkill size crane to deal with the swinging, flipping and shock loading most tree guys do to the crane.
 
To answer some of your question's the answer is YES. to answer the crane questions this crane op was not in the least worried about any of those lifts. He did apologize for the one at 9:11 cuz he did suggest to me where to choke it. All was good and man does that guy lift big just wish I would have got a person that knew what they were doing on the video cam. Thanks for the post and that three legged spider leg set up, how much one of those good for?
 
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Okay, wow, yeah, the guy that is farthest away should be able to see the best location to choke a large peice. So, his fault as he said.

Spider legs can be very simple. Just three individual ropes, made from something that preferrably does not stretch, like dyneema, or also named as amsteel by samson.

Tenex is okay too.

Amsteel II is the real way to go though, as amsteel blue is a loose weave that catches on everything. Amsteel II looks like a bull rope, it has a rope jacket over the amsteel. SOOOoooo much better. I didn't know about amsteel II when i bought plenty of amsteel blue.

Probably want something with breaking strength of 36,000 lbs each I would think.

Just have the crane operator place the ball in about what you think the center of gravity of the limb, such as you would for a single sling.

then spread the 3 slings outward to three different points, try to pick two upright points and the butt.

have crane op tighten, you watch carefully as he tightens to see that each leg tightened about the same, if they didn't and you don't want any movement, loosen the crane op up, motion or tell him to move the boom a litte in the better direction, then have him winch up again and see that they all tightened at the same time.

if one leg was observed as not tightening as fast, you know it will roll that way first as you finish the cut, sometimes you want it to move for reasons.

sometimes you want the tips to drop for different reasons, so you might have the butt tighten first, then the crane op will winch down as you cut until the two tip tied ones tighten.

they make for very smooth picks.

I think 30 to 35 foot is the best length for most crane work.

here is quick diagram of three spider legs. they go on the hook and stay there of course, then you just running bowline tie them to the limbs to what length you need.

(did not have time to spell check or read over my wording, gotta go).
 

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Or, if your crane regulations do not approve of tying knots, have one spider leg, say 30 ft with an eye on each end.

use a clevis on it.

have two other spider legs around 38 feet or so. they can be tied and adjusted.

the main one with the clevis needs to be rated to hold the weight by itself, the other two can be considered extra balancers. Reg taught me that.
 

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Fair enough.

Just having fun arm chair quarterbacking'

However, I suggest the switch for job flow reasons. The crane seemed more than enough for the picks at the greater distance. Smaller picks would have optimized job flow with the smaller chipper. The crane would have had to rotate less with the pieces landing "in-line" more or less with the chipper.

I am not accusing you of this, but so often many think that big picks equal fast work. It is not always the case. Less crane movement, fast turn around time from cut to cut, an efficient ground crew working at a steady sustainable pace equals a quick job.

Again not criticizing, just observing, making assumptions.

Tony

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picture of amsteel blue spider legs. old picture, but it shows up well.

3 legs.

two 25 foot and one 20 ft.

tied with running bowline
 

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this could probably work too, haven't really tried exactlly like this.

best not on amsteel blue though. amsteel II and tenex okay with prusic knots.
 

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I do use this though at times. Usually large spreading trees to remove with a crane.

3 main spider legs, then one of those legs has a spider leg attached to it with prussic.

diagram attached.
 

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real picture of that set up in use.

Oh, this extra spider leg attached with prussic is also great for when IF your main leg isn't long enough to reach to the point where you want to attach it, so you attach main leg short, then use the extra leg to reach out further to where it should have been. (not shown here.)

Oh, btw, on verical picks or simple picks where you just want to use one sling, just use one leg and leave the others hanging loose. They are there for when you might need them on a huge spreading peice.
 

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Xman thanks for taking the time on these posts. Very informative. Once I get out of school I want to get to one of the crane seminars. These posts and images will be banked for future use.
 
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Good response.

Okay, wow, yeah, the guy that is farthest away should be able to see the best location to choke a large peice. So, his fault as he said.
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Happy new year to you too.

Looks like we can be cumminicate constructively now, cool.

take care,



p.s. Oh yeah, if I can somehow organize things where I'm not climbing almost every day; I can work on a few inventions. One that I'm really excited about will revolutionize (almost) rigging for crane removals. Need time to build it, test it and destroy it. I'm positive it would speed things up significantly for the climber in crane removals....
 

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