Toggle Knot Development - Thoughts?

The problem with that is being able to fit the "t" through the ring with a knot on it unless the system was somewhat oversized for such clearance, but that may add more slop to the system.
 
I like the idea, and would probably use it often on a half inch line in general lowering scenarios. When I got to check it out I liked the idea of being able to clip the ring to my saddle once the tail is pulled up, climb out on a limb, pull slack without unclipping the ring, flipping the weighted toggle end through a union, and then setting the ring. It eliminates tying and untying knots to clip to your saddle while moving into position and adds weight to the tail for easier flips. When concerned about a split opening the cinch, throw in a half hitch before finishing the tie-off.
 
Is it possible for the ring to come off when unloaded? If thats the concern a screw link could be used to make the system removable?
 
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Fun idea but I don't see it being a great seller Nick. I could see a few cons being that it's not as fast as a 'biner choke or sling/biner, the chance of losing the ring seems pretty likely, and when the end of your rope gets some wear it requires a new eye splice. Some pros would be that it could be made very strong and it's fairly fast. Not trying to be negative, just my opinion. I hope that's what you're looking for.
 
As for using it on a winch, I think the best option would be to have the toggle on a friction hitch or rope grab and just a spliced eye on the end of the rope. Just the eye has to go under the log. This was in a thread a few months ago at the House.
 
I use to instruct dogsledding/skiing expeditions with Outward Bound. A few of our dog harnesses had toggles made of UHMW plastic instead of brass snaps. It sure made hooking an eager husky up to the tugline easier with gloves or mitts. Eliminating fiddly tasks at -35 is always a bonus. I can certainly see some parallels to tree work. The toggles were safe, simple, and speedy. We can't take credit though--they've been used by indigenous Arctic people's for many years....
 
I don't see the system as stable if the load is removed for even a split second.

I also don't see it working out well if parts get involved in slamming against a trunk or other big wood.
 
If there is a way to make one using a stopper knot I might be interested, but rigging lines do get damaged often and it's nice to be able to snip off a few feet when the line gets worn.
 
What if the ring in the OP's video was replaced by a thunder sling-like series of antal-type rings spliced in linear series, immediately adjacent to each other? It could function as a modern timber hitch. Unlike a safety block or shizl, it could form much better to the curves of tree features.

In use, two or more end rings would be placed on the rope to create a small bight that would prevent it from 1.) loosening while dressing the system, and 2.) while the system would be slack in the moment immediately preceding dynamic loading while negative blocking. Then the rope would pass around the branch or spar. Then, the rope would weave back through the remaining rings, ending in a locking termination knot. Alternatively, the termination could be a small spliced eye inserted with a tough rubber piece shaped like a pulley wheel, sized to be tight in the eye yet able to be popped in or out. There are lots of ways to terminate this type of setup.

The series of rings could lie flat with respect to each other, or be spliced at an offset twist angle relative to adjacent rings to enhance rope binding as they oriented to flat on the tree upon being weighted.

On small branches, excess rings could dangle, or be wrapped around multiple times.

The rings would be redundant on large wood, so a broken ring would not be a safety issue. My understanding is that the rings don't break on wood anyway. The friction coefficients on successive rings could be all the same, or engineered to increase, to dissipate load on the rope at the terminal ring. The system would have no splice, no working knot (only a safety backup knot), no metal bar, and no readily apparent way to theoretically come undone.

It would really just be an update and repurposing to the tried and true timber hitch, with the queasy "it could slip out" feature of the timber hitch addressed.

It's late, so perhaps this is just a shitty idea...
 
TreeCo said:
I don't see the system as stable if the load is removed for even a split second.
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I dunno. Possibly? Could be interesting.
Having now satisfactorily used steel biners for rigging for almost three decades, I want to like it - gonna give you a 3.5/5 for this one, Nick.
Apart from the fact (as others have previously mentioned) that the end of a rigging line sooner or later gets worn. How does Mr. Toggle get attached to yer rope after you cut 3' offa it?
Not sure this is gonna be for me.
If and when you start retailing Richard's SAKA again, I might resume doing business with you. Just sayin'
 
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I dunno. Possibly? Could be interesting.
Having now satisfactorily used steel biners for rigging for almost three decades, I want to like it - gonna give you a 3.5/5 for this one, Nick.
Apart from the fact (as others have previously mentioned) that the end of a rigging line sooner or later gets worn. How does Mr. Toggle get attached to yer rope after you cut 3' offa it?
Not sure this is gonna be for me.
If and when you start retailing Richard's SAKA again, I might resume doing business with you. Just sayin'
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Appreciate the support Dave but given my core values, I have to support TS in their innovation and desire to provide options, and perhaps, an improved product.
I do find this a bit ironic though when you consider the form and function similarly to the CROSBY CLEVIS GRAB HOOK used in the, other, no knot rigging system.
 
The Crosby stuff is nice but it is really expensive and limited in its rope applications.


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