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I respect Climbing Arborist, but I don't buy the story one bit. Had that screw snapped where it did, the bridge would still remain intact where it was. The screw is still held in place at the other end of the paw, and the post is held in place at the bottom and can't come out, unless the entire screw got shot out completely by some magical force. It can't move far enough to let the bridge slip by.
Thank you for posting this for me.
Broken pin, I will give it. Why it broke is yet to be determined. The rest of the story is hog wash.
The screw may have been broken for a long time and the screw finally backed out enough to let the pin go, but that should have been noticed a long, long time ago by the climber.
He was just bumping the post. I believe there was one other similar case as well. I personally think it was over torqued. Not too familiar with the exact layout of the locking mechanism but the complexity and multiple cases don't give me the warm fuzzys. I wonder if Petzl will address it in any way.
 
I respect Climbing Arborist, but I don't buy the story one bit. Had that screw snapped where it did, the bridge would still remain intact where it was. The screw is still held in place at the other end of the paw, and the post is held in place at the bottom and can't come out, unless the entire screw got shot out completely by some magical force. It can't move far enough to let the bridge slip by.
Thank you for posting this for me.
Broken pin, I will give it. Why it broke is yet to be determined. The rest of the story is hog wash.
The screw may have been broken for a long time and the screw finally backed out enough to let the pin go, but that should have been noticed a long, long time ago by the climber.
The moral of this story is that way too many arb gear manufacturers are making things over complicated, which brings more potential failure points into our life support systems. K.I.S.S. is my mantra.

Hopefully Petzl will do what Teufelberger did and simplify their forward dees because those contraptions on the Sequoia are a ticking time bomb.
 
The moral of this story is that way too many arb gear manufacturers are making things over complicated, which brings more potential failure points into our life support systems. K.I.S.S. is my mantra.

Hopefully Petzl will do what Teufelberger did and simplify their forward dees because those contraptions on the Sequoia are a ticking time bomb.
I agree that they are over engineered contraptions that really don't need to exist. A simple stopper knot in a hole is the best, but I do not agree that the Petzl paws are a ticking time bomb. Over engineered I give you, and something created for no purpose except to sell Petzl bridges, but they are rock solid and pretty much failsafe in their design. Multiple things would have to break, as in the screw, and the paw itself, and I just don't see that happening unless you ran over it with the crane. Long time Sequoia user, that never bought a Petzl bridge and always just put a stopper knot through the hole instead.
 
I agree that they are over engineered contraptions that really don't need to exist. A simple stopper knot in a hole is the best, but I do not agree that the Petzl paws are a ticking time bomb. Over engineered I give you, and something created for no purpose except to sell Petzl bridges, but they are rock solid and pretty much failsafe in their design. Multiple things would have to break, as in the screw, and the paw itself, and I just don't see that happening unless you ran over it with the crane. Long time Sequoia user, that never bought a Petzl bridge and always just put a stopper knot through the hole instead.
I don't have the newer Sequoia but I don't really see what you're talking about. If the bolt broke at the threads it looks like it's just a slick stainless cylinder that could slip out under a few loading cycles. From there it doesn't look like the paw would need to break, even Petzl gives it the crossbones. Sorry for high jacking the thread lol. Not my intention
 

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I don't have the newer Sequoia but I don't really see what you're talking about. If the bolt broke at the threads it looks like it's just a slick stainless cylinder that could slip out under a few loading cycles. From there it doesn't look like the paw would need to break, even Petzl gives it the crossbones. Sorry for high jacking the thread lol. Not my intention
That screw is held in by a tight O-ring at its head. If it has been reused many times it could possibly wear down enough to allow it to slip out, but I think you would have to run it in and out about a hundred times before it was in that condition.
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That screw is held in by a tight O-ring at its head. If it has been reused many times it could possibly wear down enough to allow it to slip out, but I think you would have to run it in and out about a hundred times before it was in that condition.
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Gotcha, that would definitely help a bit. Seems like the newly introduced play (although minor) would be enough to jiggle that loose pretty quick but idk. I worked as a car and bike mechanic for 8 years, that's just me trying to visualize the forces at play. I really just don't like that design at all though. 2.5 nm is a pretty easy to over torque as well, especially if wet/threadlocker was added.
 
I did a thorough cleaning of both sides of my Velcro between yesterday and today. The Velcro on the pad is just shot at least out towards the sides, extremely disappointing for a 600$ saddle. I'm going to bitch about it too treestuff and maybe teufelberger in hopes one will send me a replacement pad, I got the saddle at the beginning of this year if I remember correctly and don't even climb 5 days a week.
 
I did a thorough cleaning of both sides of my Velcro between yesterday and today. The Velcro on the pad is just shot at least out towards the sides, extremely disappointing for a 600$ saddle. I'm going to bitch about it too treestuff and maybe teufelberger in hopes one will send me a replacement pad, I got the saddle at the beginning of this year if I remember correctly and don't even climb 5 days a week.
Same. I even put on the extra Velcro provided by arbsession, but as u said the Velcro is shot on the pad so it doesn’t do much for the sides
 
Good luck.
There once was a time when treestuff was the bomb.
Now, not so much. For me, and some, they earned the nickname treeshit.
They've actually come through pretty well on everything I've complained about or sending me the wrong thing I don't expect to get a knowledgeable answer but the times they've sent me the wrong thing they just sent me the right one and I kept the wrong one free. I bitched about done free gaffs I got in an offer in a review and they immediately contacted me to see what they could do to make me happy it was to late they were sold.
 
I did a thorough cleaning of both sides of my Velcro between yesterday and today. The Velcro on the pad is just shot at least out towards the sides, extremely disappointing for a 600$ saddle. I'm going to bitch about it too treestuff and maybe teufelberger in hopes one will send me a replacement pad, I got the saddle at the beginning of this year if I remember correctly and don't even climb 5 days a week.
I reached out to tuefelberger and they sent me a new backpad
 
Doesn't bother me none. From my understanding, it was designed to do that. I believe they just released more backbad options and one of them totally wraps around you like a lot of other new harnesses are doing...
 
Doesn't bother me none. From my understanding, it was designed to do that. I believe they just released more backbad options and one of them totally wraps around you like a lot of other new harnesses are doing...

What doesn't bother you? I find the pad falling off the saddle to be pretty annoying.
 

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