This knot must have a name . . .

[dmonn]

The photo shows what I've always called a bowline with a bight, to show that it's different than a bowline on a bight. I tried to find it in Ashley's Book of Knots (ABOK), but haven't found it. I've used it a lot and never had it fail or be difficult to untie. I've never used it with the carabiner spiking the knot but I've also not used it for life support. I purposely haven't set the knot to make it easier to see the construction.

What is the "official" (e.g., ABOK) name for the knot, and is it OK to use it without the carabiner (or some other way to pin the knot)?

I like it because I can load either or both the "tail" end and the bowline loop without deforming the knot when it's under load. At least it hasn't deformed for me yet.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

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[Tuebor]

Looks like a painter's bowline that is spiked with a biner.

 

[dmonn]

Thanks.

I spiked it with a biner because I tried loading the "tail" today before setting the knot, and it started to pull out. I'm not sure that would happen after the knot is well set, but I don't want to find out when I'm the load and I'm 50 feet off the ground. Spiking the knot removes that possibility.

 

[Jehinten]

Spiking the knot removes that possibility

Just a thought, maybe spike that loop and one side of the other loop together. Very slim chance that it'd slip a carabiner once set, but it'd have to turn the knot inside out with two legs of rope spiked.

 

[Tuebor]

I found this painter's bowline knot on Pintrest. Looks like a way to make a midline bowline.

 

[dmonn]

I found this painter's bowline knot on Pintrest. Looks like a way to make a midline bowline.
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That's exactly what I use it for. Super simple to tie and easier to untie than an alpine butterfly knot after heavy loading. The disadvantage is the loop can only be loaded in one direction--the AB can be loaded in both directions.

 

[AdkEric]

I found this painter's bowline knot on Pintrest. Looks like a way to make a midline bowline.
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We use this all the time at work when pulling and the entire length of rope isn't needed. It has been both secure and easy to untie in my experience.

Edit: I'm glad I can now associate a name with it. Thank you.

 

[Keeth]

I use it with uneven loops to provide an offset so when two guys are pulling a line they have secure handholds, but aren’t getting in each other’s way. With enough length you can do another couple of loops with the tail for more people.

 

[Phil]

That's exactly what I use it for. Super simple to tie and easier to untie than an alpine butterfly knot after heavy loading. The disadvantage is the loop can only be loaded in one direction--the AB can be loaded in both directions.

This thread is freaking me out. I taught a rigging course middle of last week and when we were done going over the bowline/running bowline, I was showing the bowline on a bite and the triple bowline as other bowline examples. One of the students tied the bowline that is the subject of this thread. He was just messing with the knot and hadn't tied it intentionally. He asked what it was and if it was ok to use like that. I fiddle with it and tied/untied it trying to find any concerns. Without loading it I couldn't give a true opinion and said stick with what we know works. I didn't know what to call it to even research it. And here it fucking is! Good stuff.

For midline pulling, I use a circus bowline/farmers loop if pulling by hand or with a come along.

Farmer's Loop - How to tie the Farmers Loop Knot

Form a secure loop in middle of a rope

www.netknots.com

If I'm pulling with a truck/machine/winch, I use a triple bowline. I don't bother trying to get the bite the same length as the other two loops though since I only load the two loops.