System vs Technique

[Leroy]

Add together your controller, receiver, amp and loudspeakers= sound system.

manifold, cat converter, muffler, pipes, etc= exhaust system.

multiscender, foot ascender, saddle, rope, etc= climbing system.

(Example) in cooking-

1. Searing – a technique used in grilling, baking, braising, roasting, sautéing, etc., in which the surface of the food (usually meat, poultry or fish) is cooked at high temperature until a crust forms from browning. (The system for applying this technique would be whatever pan, stove, utensil combination used.)

Exampe, a list of writing techniques- https://www.wordy.com/writers-workshop/english-writing-techniques/

To apply writing techniques different systems (alphabets, syllabaries and/or logographies) may be used but the technique remains the same, no matter the system used.

 

[moss]

Your analysis is spot-on but throughout history humans have resisted updating terminology to reflect technical or logical changes. We have legacy terms all over the place that are inaccurate or obsolete but persistent. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try but the track record is not good.
-AJ

 

[DSMc]

You can use an SRS to perform SRT. So much is dependent on the context.

 

[WaitakKauri]

Agreed

 

[Leroy]

Your analysis is spot-on but throughout history humans have resisted updating terminology to reflect technical or logical changes. We have legacy terms all over the place that are inaccurate or obsolete but persistent. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t try but the track record is not good.
-AJ

I fully agree with the switch from srt as in "single rope technique" to srt as in "stationary rope technique" seems completely logical to me.

 

[Leroy]

You can use an SRS to perform SRT. So much is dependent on the context.

Indeed, you must use a "Stationary Rope System" in order to utilize the technique of stationary rope climbing aka SRT. What I don't understand is the exchange of one term for the other, to me they a distinctly and literally separate. The presence of a climbing system of some sort is a given and needs no mention.

 

[DSMc]

I believe it is a circular argument as it depends, at least in my mind, on context. A stationary rope can be climbed with no system at all, just a technique. If you have more than one climbing system in your truck and you ask a coworker to get it mentioning which one, SRS or MRS would be appropriate.

 

[Leroy]

To me it is not an argument at all. I am just confused by the new trend to mention that we are using a system, of course we are.

You could use your srs to climb mrt but you can't use your mrs to implement srt... to me it is largely irrelevant the system you are using and more important is the technique.

Classic MRS, hitch climber setup, cannot be used for SRT climbing (without addition of supplemental friction device). Same as Zigzag or Art devices.

Typical SRS can be used for both MRT and SRT though may not be very efficient.

My last post was maybe too absolute in saying that you must have a system to use the technique, though you might say that if you just climbed the rope with your hands and feet then your hands and feet are the system.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

I like the discussion.

 

[DSMc]

To me it is not an argument at all. I am just confused by the new trend to mention that we are using a system, of course we are...

You really did define it well in your first post. If you are referencing a specific system and not just any climbing system then using SRS or MRS narrows things down a bit. If you are describing how those tools are being used, then SRT or MRT would be correct.

 

[InTheTree]

Just to be sure of the acronyms;

SRS stationary rope system
MRS moving rope system
SRT stationary rope techniques
MRT moving rope techniques

Are those the correct currently agreed upon acronyms for rope work?

edited

 

[DSMc]

My understanding is that SRT is currently defined as stationary rope technique and MRT is moving rope technique.

 

[CanadianStan]

 

[surveyor]

I would like to suggest DTSA and STSA and DTDA

: )

 

[InTheTree]

My understanding is that SRT is currently defined as stationary rope technique and MRT is moving rope technique.

Ok. Then is
SRS stationary rope system or single rope system?
MRS moving rope system or multiple rope system?

Just trying to clarify then I can edit my post above.

 

[DSMc]

Those two are stationary and moving also. Keep in mind that any of these acronyms will be hard-pressed to stand alone as comprehensive definitions. Our systems and techniques have become too complex. It is often better to take the time to spell out what you mean for the sake of clarity.

 

[InTheTree]

Ok thanks. I use both systems and techniques moving and stationary but I'm just trying to be on the same page with wording and discussions.

 

[SomethingWitty]

Ok thanks. I use both systems and techniques moving and stationary but I'm just trying to be on the same page with wording and discussions.

I'd just avoid acronyms for a while if you want to be on the same page as the people you're speaking with. We seem to be in a strange transitional period. MRT is a new one for me, and I have been trying to keep up. Mr. Mumford recommended DmRT not too long ago in a fairly similar discussion.
It's just dumb.(this whole thing, not DmRT)

 

[CanadianStan]

I think Moving Rope System and Stationary Rope System are the two best all encompassing terms. They best describe the physics of the rope systems and their relative functioning.
As for the OP, the comparison between system and technique, with cooking systems, isn’t really relevant. Yes, you can use a roperunner for both MRS and SRS but it’s not really relevant to the classification of the way that the rope is being used, which seems to be the superceding dilemma that we’re trying to categorize.
At the end of the day, there are way more than two cooking methods, and way more than 2 cooking devices; there’s way more than 2 culinary terms to aid the description of that process. Why limit tree care to that? Just state SRS/MRS and if further explanation is needed/desired then you’re going to have to explain “the recipe” anyways

 

[Leroy]

The point was to show a few examples of how these two words are used in other parts of our lives, not to compare tree climbing to cooking.