Swivel benefits?

Jem4417

Jem4417

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Been looking at swivels for a long time. Just wanted to see if any users had any reasons that one could be beneficial for my day to day climbing. Any advice on preference would be nice too. Thanks in advance.
 
Jack I forget what you used when you gave me a hand. I liked them alot when I was running ddrt without a zigzag. I just took my L-DMM off and have been running 2 bridges and 4 rings total. I don't really miss it. If you want to fly one before you decide let me know.
 
That sounds great Frank. I'll try to catch up with you a little later this week. That's funny, the large DMM is what I was most interested in.
 
They are nice with mechanical devices because there is less fight needed to get the device oriented the way you want when descending. As far as not twisting up lines I actually felt the swivel didn't help at all and may have made things worse. When using something like a spiderjack or rope runner I prefer a swivel so I can yank it around to where I want it if the device or myself is in an odd position
 
Good advice. Thank you. The runner is on my mind but I'm gonna hold out for the akimbo when it's mainstreamed.
 
cthompson22 said:
They are nice with mechanical devices because there is less fight needed to get the device oriented the way you want when descending. As far as not twisting up lines I actually felt the swivel didn't help at all and may have made things worse. When using something like a spiderjack or rope runner I prefer a swivel so I can yank it around to where I want it if the device or myself is in an odd position
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i tend to agree, swivels are nice for when u wanna spin your orentation around too but they tend to allow rope twist to spin your device and make more of a rope mess.
 
I have found swivels to be useful when using friction cord and a pulley going ddrt. USELESS when it comes to ddrt with a mechanical as it twists way more than seems possible, especially when using a ring and ring. Sorry, but I have no input on srt as I am slowly incorporating that into my day to day bag of tricks. Best of luck!
 
First pic is just an ultrasling with swivel and pulley... later made a couple with OmniBlock 1.5 pulleys... fine if you are climbing to the DdRT TIP using SRT, spurs or a bucket truck to set the canopy anchor. Later still, I started making anchors that I can easily install and retrieve from the ground, like a R&R friction saver. I don't like any rope going through a crotch while loaded, not even an SRT line. Call me crazy, I don't care. The second pic is a very recent prototype that I can use with both SRT and DdRT.. shown with an SRT line attached. For DdRT, a pulley goes in the shackle end of the swivel instead of the climb line, and the DdRT line through the pulley (which will pass through the ring)... installs and retrieves exactly like it does with the SRT line. In both cases, you have to remove the multicender from the line before installing or retrieving. In both cases the anchor is in choker mode.

There is a hundred ways of doing this that don't involve a canopy anchor at all, just the SRT line. I was getting enough movement of the line in the crotch that the first three feet of the line was showing more wear than the rest of it. I like this better. The rope doesn't pass through the crotch except when installing or retrieving it, and it isn't loaded with anything but its own weight. Keep in mind that I currently only use SRT for access, and use 75' or 100' hanks since that's plenty long enough for my needs.

The 1/4" line in the pic is the retrieval line. Its connection point (the short tether) is used to attach the throwline during installation, and halfway through the throwline is removed and the retrieval line attached.

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JeffGu said:
First pic is just an ultrasling with swivel and pulley... later made a couple with OmniBlock 1.5 pulleys... fine if you are climbing to the DdRT TIP using SRT, spurs or a bucket truck to set the canopy anchor. Later still, I started making anchors that I can easily install and retrieve from the ground, like a R&R friction saver. I don't like any rope going through a crotch while loaded, not even an SRT line. Call me crazy, I don't care. The second pic is a very recent prototype that I can use with both SRT and DdRT.. shown with an SRT line attached. For DdRT, a pulley goes in the shackle end of the swivel instead of the climb line, and the DdRT line through the pulley (which will pass through the ring)... installs and retrieves exactly like it does with the SRT line. In both cases, you have to remove the multicender from the line before installing or retrieving. In both cases the anchor is in choker mode.

There is a hundred ways of doing this that don't involve a canopy anchor at all, just the SRT line. I was getting enough movement of the line in the crotch that the first three feet of the line was showing more wear than the rest of it. I like this better. The rope doesn't pass through the crotch except when installing or retrieving it, and it isn't loaded with anything but its own weight. Keep in mind that I currently only use SRT for access, and use 75' or 100' hanks since that's plenty long enough for my needs.

The 1/4" line in the pic is the retrieval line. Its connection point (the short tether) is used to attach the throwline during installation, and halfway through the throwline is removed and the retrieval line attached.

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That is really sweet JeffGu. Nice attention to detail. Been watch your anchor threads and your idea and it's evolution is really good. The top swivel is out if the box the thinking.

Thanks for sharing these pics.
 
I run a rook on my bridge and I love it. I use multiple systems/TIPs almost daily, and the swivel function keeps everything tidy when I rotate my work position (which you can do much more easily when supported from multiple anchors).
To be honest, adding the rook has really created more platform for creativity in my climbing. It’s allowed me to add some serious time and energy saving tricks to my arsenal, and taken a lot of the perceived stress and “black magic” out of running multiple systems.
 
I have a rook and it sits on my shelf never being used. I switched to a ring on my bridge and like it better. I have the rope runner, unicender, zigzag, hitch climber, and akimbo. All work well without the swivel for me, the big ISC ring allows some twist so you can manipulate your device a bit
 
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