Speedline carabiners, what are you using?

Adkpk said:
Not true. Pop them off as you wish. With a rigging plate attached to the pulley and all six go at once under your control. Groundie undoes the slings and pull the pulley back up for another six limbs. There really isn't a better way to do it. Case closed.
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Bob, not trying to push buttons but I disagree. Case not closed. There's a difference between finding 10 different length slings crossing all over the tree to reach the rigging plate and using 3 different length slings to reach the speedline that's running through the crown.

In addition, now you have a rigging plate in the the tree. How much gear do you want up there to speedline stuff? Two lines, a pulley, different length slings, carabiners, rigging plate? That's a lot. How about slings, line, and carabiners.

I've tried it your way and in certain situations you're right, it's the ticket! But for the everyday mundane I use the KISS principal. Keep It Simple Stupid.

I still love you Bob. :)
 
I like a trolley pulley and haul line when speedlining through other brush (e.g. a forested lot being developed where site impact must be kept to a minimum and only specific trees are being removed or a large tree being pruned for end weight reduction), that way the climbers and groundies can help get any rigged piece unstuck if that happens. I prefer a simpler set up for more straight forward removals (e.g. a conifer in a backyard with minimal access). So, now the case is closed, there's a tool for every application and the most important tools any team has is their minds.
 
A little off of the carabiner topic, but I read a post about using 3/8" line as slings and tying with a fishermans knot. Then I started thinking one more step. How about end slicing the 3/8" line and then do a whipping on one end doubled up to make a an eye. however it would be the doubled up line and not a true eye, but it would keep the line in place on the carabiner and the line somewhat organized.
Any thoughts on that?
 
waross said:
A little off of the carabiner topic, but I read a post about using 3/8" line as slings and tying with a fishermans knot. Then I started thinking one more step. How about end slicing the 3/8" line and then do a whipping on one end doubled up to make a an eye. however it would be the doubled up line and not a true eye, but it would keep the line in place on the carabiner and the line somewhat organized.
Any thoughts on that?
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I think some 3/8" tenex slings with locking brummeled 3" eyes on each end could work. I just worry they'd tend to pick too much and might not stand up the rigors of being carried around the tree as well webbing. Who knows? It'd be worth a try. 3/8" tenex is cheap.
 
I just like the time-saving features of spliced eyes, and I enjoy splicing myself, so that would save $. Also, it's a lot easier to teach a newbie knotless rigging, and faster than untying knots on the ground...and trying to explain how to send the slings back up. The knots have to be learned of course but sometimes I might be working on a job where there's no time for teaching. Not a common occurrence but it happens.
 
waross said:
A little off of the carabiner topic, but I read a post about using 3/8" line as slings and tying with a fishermans knot. Then I started thinking one more step. How about end slicing the 3/8" line and then do a whipping on one end doubled up to make a an eye. however it would be the doubled up line and not a true eye, but it would keep the line in place on the carabiner and the line somewhat organized.
Any thoughts on that?
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I've made eye to eye slings of varying lengths out of cheap hollow braid poly (3/8"-1/2") mere cents and super easy and cheap to make. There swell is just a bit higher than 3 strand yellow poly so if you have a super limb fir/spruce/etc. they work great you can put 1 per branch but you can put a few onto a single biner saves pulling the line back up so many times. I liked them. Just be sure to work within your swell and you're fine.
 
TreeLogic said:
I just like the time-saving features of spliced eyes, and I enjoy splicing myself, so that would save $. Also, it's a lot easier to teach a newbie knotless rigging, and faster than untying knots on the ground...and trying to explain how to send the slings back up. The knots have to be learned of course but sometimes I might be working on a job where there's no time for teaching. Not a common occurrence but it happens.
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If my newbie can't tie those knots he drags brush until he can show me that he can. I have nothing against knotless rigging and am becoming a bigger fan of it all the time. But I can tie enough knots to cover any situation I've faced. I started on a taut line, then a blake then moved to a eye to eye. I believe in making everyone even me pay the basic dues before I every let your boots leave the ground where I can't reach you.

But I understand the jobs you're talking about just try to get out of the mind set there's no time to teach, you should be learning and teaching every day.
 
KevinS said:
I believe in making everyone even me pay the basic dues before I every let your boots leave the ground where I can't reach you.
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No doubt about that. Was talking about a newbie on the ground and how they have trouble untying running bowlines and then not knowing how to attach/send them back up the line. This usually only happens when I'm doing a job for a friend or neighbor who wants to save money and I let them help on the ground.
 
TreeLogic said:
No doubt about that. Was talking about a newbie on the ground and how they have trouble untying running bowlines and then not knowing how to attach/send them back up the line. This usually only happens when I'm doing a job for a friend or neighbor who wants to save money and I let them help on the ground.
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Fair enough those drive us all nuts.
 
I was blessed enough to have had my previous three groundies be a sailor, boy scout, and rock climber respectively, so at least they were somewhat familiar with ropes and knots. I can't imagine training someone raw.
 
Boomslang said:
I was blessed enough to have had my previous three groundies be a sailor, boy scout, and rock climber respectively, so at least they were somewhat familiar with ropes and knots. I can't imagine training someone raw.
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I was lucky enough at one of my previous jobs to be a foreman for a crew made up entirely of climbers. WOW does that make life easier and more productive.
 
I have been meaning to re-vamp my speed line kit. Gonna order a half dozen Am'd screw gates. Im with Tom, to many screwy things can and do happen with non-lockers. The trolly and rigging plates have their place that is all situational dependent. I am however do for a new rope. What is every one else using? Im looking at the New England KM-III its cheap and purdy.
 
Boomslang said:
I was blessed enough to have had my previous three groundies be a sailor, boy scout, and rock climber respectively, so at least they were somewhat familiar with ropes and knots. I can't imagine training someone raw.
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A sailor, a boy scout, and a rockee? How do you get so lucky? Can you mail me one of them? The guy I'm training now is in IT, LOL.
 
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