Slime flux and bacteria that can smell

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In an earlier post, “And I thought it was...”, I shared two papers about bacteria being able to sense, “smell”, other colonies of bacteria. In this first encounter, the scientists suggest the smell of ammonia alerted bacteria to the presence of other bacteria that might very well be competitive and in need of management.

Okay. Now the wee beasties know that somebody else is around, what can they do about it?

Well, they can apparently produce a "biofilm—a kind of structured slime that enables microorganisms to adhere to surfaces, band together and block out competitors in their immediate environment.

"Biofilm is like a city for bacteria to live in," Sperandio says. "The bacteria secrete a slimy matrix and organize themselves into a multicellular structure with channels for water and nutrients to flow in and out."

Fascinating. These microscopic creatures with very well-hidden noses can sniff and defend. Now what does that have to do with trees?


Indulge me in a Wulkowiczian sidestep over to the issue of slime flux as a tree disease. If I Google "tree slime flux", I read of it as a disease that we can't do anything about except maybe drill some useless holes.

I can next read that it is sap being forced out of the tree interior, and if I further look for sap, I find xylem sap, phloem sap, maple syrup sap, and the whole articulation of old wives tales.

Perhaps what we described as slime flux is really the biofilm produced by some bacteria colonized somewhere in the tree to combat another colony that is threatening its lunch.

Why stop at two? There can be any number of antagonists all at microbial DefCon 4 and given the proper conditions, their outputs can be voluminous.

It would be nice if someone examined these issues further, and perhaps we might reduce the number of “identified” tree diseases.

No offense to anyone, I don't need no stinking biofilms.


Wolfowitz

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http://www.treebuzz.com/forum/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=240687&an=0&page=0#240687
 
sorry boob, but we do need another disease. frothy flux is recognized by the tree disease bible as distinct from slime flux, and treatment is advisable due to its cambium-killing habits.

attached 2 years old, based on article 6 years old. No one raised concerns about either until you came along you troublemaker, though excavation remains controversial and a trunk drench bactericide is reported effective. Phosphite not as good on this as on other lesions..

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sorry boob, but we do need another disease.

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Oh oh! Is this going to be one of those Dagwood and the mailman, spin around the front porch, cartoony kind of disagreements? If that's the case, it's Mr. Boob to you, and I'll call you Guyguy.

Is this now a thumb in the eye, or a tongue in cheek topic?


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frothy flux is recognized by the tree disease bible as distinct from slime flux, and treatment is advisable due to its cambium-killing habits.

attached 2 years old, based on article 6 years old. No one raised concerns about either until you came along you troublemaker,

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See what I mean. I sort of thought of myself as a trouble shooter, but I guess I'm a trouble maker if my critic is a trouble.

(The Semmelweis reflex or "Semmelweis effect" is a metaphor for the reflex-like rejection of new knowledge because it contradicts entrenched norms, beliefs or paradigms. It refers to Ignaz Semmelweis, who discovered that childbed fever mortality rates could be reduced ten-fold if doctors would wash their hands (we would now say disinfect) with a chlorine solution. His hand-washing suggestions were rejected by his contemporaries.--wikipedia)

A doc today, obviously enlightened, might agree to a study and keep a control by washing only one hand.



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though excavation remains controversial and a trunk drench bactericide is reported effective. Phosphite not as good on this as on other lesions..

fung brung dung, hung tongue.

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An important part of both my posts, understanding your unattached references might include: TCI_MAG_09_04_FULLsm.pdf , was that my information wasn't 2 or 6 years old, it was 2 months old!

The new awareness surprised the guys in that business! Which means it may displace some ideas in ours. That's all, and in a way that's enough.

I'll take the position that Guy was pokin a bit at my frothiness. Me, I gotta go and find something more to be irritating with.


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