Settin' a pull line HIGH in a Conifer...

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Settin\' a pull line HIGH in a Conifer...

Hey all, Any good time saving tips for setting a pull line HIGH in a Conifer. I have a Big Shot of course and all the gear but I really want to get my line set quickly and efficiently and don't have to do this that often. Usaully i'm taking them apart piece by piece. Any time saving tips or techniques would be great! Rope quanity is not a problem so I could go "trunk tied" as an anchor if need be but.... Thanks!

-BEN
 
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I usually trunk tie unless I think the hinge wood could be dodgy. The only problem is you gotta get all the rope out before you can buck the wood and that's a hassle sometimes.
 
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I usually trunk tie unless I think the hinge wood could be dodgy. The only problem is you gotta get all the rope out before you can buck the wood and that's a hassle sometimes.

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Thats what i'm gona do, the hinge wood will be fine and we are only talking about 4 or 5 feet of backlean. A little pull and some wedges and it's a pretty straightforward felling. Its gona take alot of rope between the trunk tie and the distance to the anchor tree!

-BEN
 
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Hey Mister!

Can you get my ball outta that thare tree?

Well it just so happens......

jomoco
 
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Make sure that thing is set well by pulling hard on it before you make any cuts. This way if it is out on a limb a little bit then you can break the branch and get it set down in a strong union. Or you could just send up the rookie and tell him this is lesson number one on climbing.
 
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Depending on the tree sometimes the 'time saving technique' is to climb it and set a rope.
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Is there any loss of leverage by going up and over to a trunk tie vs. setting the line only in the top?
 
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Yes, unless your trunk tie is routed up and through a perfectly centered co-dominant Y in the tree's upper wood structure? The pull will be off center and want to rotate on the stump. This is checked of course by the hinge wood, but only for the duration of the hold, which in eucs, ain't long.

Thus a set line with say a running bowline, is the optimum pull line.

jomoco
 
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I'm sure this thought is hardly novel to me.

It's floated merrily through my mind on a dozen occasions while pulling trees over. Usually with my truckwinch.

The problem is that matching line pull speed to the speed of the tree's fall, becomes progressively more difficult to do with the number of pullies in your system, right?

Even with 6 men pulling, getting them to backstep in rapid unison, almost invariably one or two men on their butts!

Sly ole country boy says, yu stupid city slicker, my ole Chevy kin back up quicker n that tree kin fall.

True, but only in ideal access situations.

No, I want my dang winch to do it, but how?

Preset rapid line pull rotary spring tension integral to the main winch capstan. Adjustable settings between 500-2000 lbs.

Why do I suspect this mechanism already exists in the military somewhere?

Something that'll slap that tree on the ground throughout its entire fall no matter how many pullies in the system?

Rapid line retrieval winch?

jomoco
 
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Which begs another aspect of rotary spring motor utilization in heavy, very heavy industries, like trucking.

What consumes more fuel, and wears more drivetrain components out on big diesel rigs?

Starting it all moving, and then stopping it, right?

Well, imagine each wheel having its own very heavy duty spring motor integral to it, and it's function slaved to a computerized micro processor?

Stopping would bind each spring motor to its optimum tension, and starting would release them in perfect unison!

I coulda been a contender I tell yu.

jomoco
 
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Norfolk!

I say Norfolk!

This is Southern callin!

Them trains look mighty heavy,

Why don't you Yankees wind them up when yu stop em?

jomoco
 
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The problem is that matching line pull speed to the speed of the tree's fall, becomes progressively more difficult to do with the number of pullies in your system, right?

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If you need speed with a multi-sheave MA put a double-whip on the end. The 2:1 will compress the MA fast and add two-times multiplier to whatever MA you have. Instead of using a slow compression 6:1 you can build a quick compression 3:1 [for power] then a 2:1 [for speed]

Study this page:

http://www.smackdock.co.uk/tackles.htm

[guote] Even with 6 men pulling, getting them to backstep in rapid unison, almost invariably one or two men on their butts!

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Escape routes aren't only for fellers! The groundies need to be just as clear what is going to happen, where they escape to, etc. or the drop will turn into a deadly Keystone Kops routine!

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Something that'll slap that tree on the ground throughout its entire fall no matter how many pullies in the system?



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Dave Spencer came up with an interesting design proposal many years ago. One that would adjust to keep the tension on the lowering line constant. His plan was to use a torque converter, like in an automatic transmission and run it backwards. All of the driveline components are already built and in use. The challenge would be to adapt the pieces to treework. Oh...then to sell the device...small detail ;)
 
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OK - why and what would the benefit be to keeping the rope tight to the ground? I guess my way of thinking is that once it's going - it's going? This has me interested.....
 
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It means that when a brittle hardwood hinge fails too soon, your capability to pull in rope fast and quickly, can still guide the tree along the preferred felling direction, longer.

Almost faster than the eye can see....see?

jomoco
 
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It's amazing how you can manipulate a very large trunk section's fall trajectory for that split second it's weightless, as it releases from its base, particularly as you push it on its way from 100 feet up.

There's an art to it, and it beats the heck outta catchin it!

jomoco
 
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