Salary versus hourly

I'm not sure where all of you are from but in the nothern midwest we get this thing called snow and people tend to forget about their trees so work really slows down and hourly tend to get little hours so if u want to make it in this part of the U.S. there is no other way to go but salary.
 
I've worked hourly in another industry where there was a contracted cap to the number of hours paid AND the hours had to fall within certain hours of the day. This was a school board to boot. We had to work at least 10hrs/wk of OT to achieve the targets and if any time was taken off during those specified hours of the day then it was deducted from your pay. Talk about abused! We were really working for our clients.

I work now hourly and without any paid statutory holidays. When winter rolls around the hours can drop to literally zero. Some companies pay a fixed 40hrs and bank OT for the lean months.

I would like to see some sort of bonus for production, safety record and, upselling.
 
I've been with the same company for close to two years. I started at a rather poor hourly rate and became salary after taking the lead climber's position. My bosses paid me salary on a per day basis when it benefited them and tried to pay me half day pay when we got rained out not to mention no change in my check when we put in the 50+ hour weeks. I got tired of them screwing me out of my time and money and forced them to put me on hourly. We still don't get time and a half but at least I'm getting paid for the 10+ hours over I put in each week. I've noticed about a 20 percent increase in my check each week since then. My employers abused what salary was supposed to be. I'll never work for salary for them. I have another employer I work for on the weekends and we don't even discuss pay till Sunday and he starts handing out money. He generally tries to match what my current full time employers pay me for the week and I only put in two days with him.
 
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Its illegal not getting time and a half over 40 hours..

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U.S. Department of Labor
Employment Standards Administration
Wage and Hour Division

Overtime Pay May Not Be Waived: The overtime requirement may not be waived by agreement between the employer and employees. An agreement that only 8 hours a day or only 40 hours a week will be counted as working time also fails the test of FLSA compliance. An announcement by the employer that no overtime work will be permitted, or that overtime work will not be paid for unless authorized in advance, also will not impair the employee's right to compensation for compensable overtime hours that are worked.

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Hey MB, ever drive over the speed limit? Same thing in many employers eyes. If you don't get caught it's ok.

In Canada, arborists fall under the same category as seasonal workers and are therefore exempt from the laws that govern overtime and paid holidays. That means I'm paid straight time all the time, whether it's 40 or 70 hrs a week. Labour day, Christmas, New Years day, Thanksgiving, or any other statutory holiday is without pay. We just end up working those that fall within the regular season instead of losing a day's pay.

I think I'm going to like working in the US.
 
Just wondering about the whole salary thing? I have been salary for a short time so i haven't had to deal with any real long hours yet but in the summers past our salary guys start at 6 am and cant leave till the last crew gets in which is usually 7 pm. They get nothing for staying later, just their regular checks every week. Is this legal to make guys work 65 hours a week and compensate them with just their normal checks?
 
No, but it gets done all the time. You don't like it? Too bad - quit!

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Actually go to that link that WoodlandTC posted and you'll see that unless they're exempt they have to be paid the OT. Of course, if they're not then they have to file a claim. This is where reality sets in and like MB suggested most don't bother and quit fearing they would be fired anyway.

This is another thing that TCIA could be dealing with for workers.
 
It is interesting to see how feelinngs and viewpoints change as we ourselves change and evolve in the business. As long as any job is completed safely, then the first goal was met. If the business owner did not make money on the job, however, then there eventually will not be any employees to pay, no matter what method is being used.

I am a firm believer in allowing people to make money. I love what I do, but if I didn't make enough to support my family then I don't know if I would like it as much. My answer to those that are not satisfied with their arrangements of compensation; you may be ready for the next step of management or ownership.

Other owners will probably agree; if there isn't enough money to made on any given job, then the job is better left undone. I do not keep striving to be better to only make less. No way. Keep striving to be your best, and if the compensation doesn't seem fair to you, like I sad above, then accepting more responsibility yourself and getting into ownership is the answer.

I do think that we need to be careful if there is compensation based on a percentage. In sales, this is the way to keep the sales personnel honest and the profit margin where it needs to be. There is a fine line in our business when we are looking at work based on a percentage as to how we are compensated. Obviously, thhe less time a job takes, the better the hourly rate received, the more time left over to finish another job. Very fine line between working more efficiently and working too fast.

Pay attention to where you are in your arboricultural careers; as early stage employees have said, hourly is the best. Try to put yourselves in the boss's shoes or the owner's shoes often enough to see that salary compensation can work too.

Have a safe day, all.

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One of the major issues I see arising out of this is whether employers are in fact adhering to the fair wage act. Whether salaried or hourly the law is the law. If employers honor this then it would be easier for employees to move up the ladder and subsequently earn a better living.
 
It IS legal to make salarly people work over time. The Dept. of Labor website that jeremy posted starts with:

"Unless specifically exempted..."

In the human resources world, another phrase for "salaried employee" is "exempt employee." This is the whole reason for salary. You are exempt from the overtime requirements. That is exactly what that means. A salaried employee is a decision maker who is guiding a crew or managing a team. It wouldn't be typical for a climber to be salary, in the eyes of HR experts and the DOL. To have a leader of multiple crew who starts when all the crews starts and ends when the last crew ends paid salary makes sense, in the eyes of HR and DOL.

You can't prove me wrong on this. I dare you. I'm serious. I want to be proven wrong. I've done a LOT of research on this and unfortunately, this is what I found out. So if you disagree with this statement, get some facts and post them.

MB- I've seen people just ABUSED because they were salaried. But I also know of a lot of people that have reasonable salary positions. If you work with a good company that is looking out for themselves by looking out for you, they won't want you to get burned out. But you should know that before you sign up for salary.

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ps- I know this might seem like a strongly worded post, but it is something I've looked into very passionately, so I guess y'all just struck a cord!
 

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