Rope Wrench Mania

Tr33Climb3r

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I love it!

So after being on the rope wrench for a few months I wanted to share my experiences.

First Example:
This past weekend my dad and I did some oak pruning. The first job we had one large white oak (I pruned this with the wrench) and 3 small red oaks which were all about 35 feet in height (Dad did these).
The white oak was large and had a pretty good spread. It was located about 15-20 feet off the corner of the house. I broke the tree into sections. Working from the highest section to the lowest from this point I would just descend to the ground and be finished. I had my rope up after two throwball shots and started up. For my long ascents with the rope wrench I use the Double Line Rope Walker that was first used for doubled rope. It allows you to use both legs and walk up the rope. The job was to give the oak a full prune with deadwood at 1.5 inch and larger. In large mature white oaks this means getting to the tips.

These are the few things that the rope wrench allowed me to do:
Set up natural redirects that always gives you great working angles (this is the biggest plus)

Consistent friction the entire climb

This one is hard to explain…On the few limb walks I had to do I would sit into the rope and it would flex with the tree and I was parallel with the limb then when I went to take the weight off the rope and start to stand up I was “picked up” in a way. It is awkward at first but after a few of them I started to like this.

I have found that if you plan your route right your rarely have to work up. Unless two sections of the tree are completely separated from each other. This oak tree had me do it once which was easy and efficient with the 1:1 as well as the DLRW putting it all in my legs.

I was finished and out of the tree in about 2.5 hours. My dad bid it for 4 hours with each of us doing half the tree at two hours. Looking at it with doubled rope technique in mind I would have agreed with him. I told him I would tackle this tree in the amount of time it took him to do the 3 smaller trees and I was right.
We finished up the job well under bid and my dad and I were both impressed.

I really give credit to the rope wrench for being more efficient on the job as well as on my body.
I had this climb on helmet cam and will try to put it together so that you can get some perspective.

Second Example:
I have a picture of this one which really explains it all. This oak tree was in serious decline which was in the condition of a bunch of sprouts on a fair amount of branches. The job was to remove the stubs, dead branches and suppress back the dead tips. The oak was over shadowed by a larger silver maple and had a large branch that went over the top of it. In one throwball shot I had it at the tip of the silver maple branch and to the ground. This is the red line in the picture. Then once I got into the oak tree I redirected in the oak itself which is the red dotted line. I did it this way to be able to work every part of the oak tree but not rely on the oak itself as a tie in point which was in serious decline. It allowed me to do the job more efficiently as well as safer when it came to a tie in point.

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The rope wrench overall does change your climbing style. It makes you look at the tree in a different way. Like Cary says it is like a chess match. But really I see you winning every time. As this product further develops I see this as the future of tree climbing. It makes sense in so many ways. If you try it and give it a true run I really don’t see how you can’t like it. The rope wrench is a lot of fun.

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edit: after looking over the helmet cam vid...had it running the entire climb and it came to 2.5 hours
 

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tree-chess baby, tree chess :)

nicely worded Casey,

looking forward to the vid.

and the thing i was talking to you about is soon, very soon :)

cheers!
 
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Awesome! Glad to see you enjoying it. I also use it on my PI and love it. I really like the connection between your carabiner and RW. Homemade?
 
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Awesome! Glad to see you enjoying it. I also use it on my PI and love it. I really like the connection between your carabiner and RW. Homemade?

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Yea that is some spare 16 strand I had and spliced it in that short eye to eye...it was a pain. Might go to the one with a thimble or get one sewn.
 
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... Yea that is some spare 16 strand I had and spliced it in that short eye to eye...it was a pain. Might go to the one with a thimble or get one sewn.

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Looks like you spliced a 'quickdraw' strap. I bet it was a pain. Just wondering ... could you use an actual strap (Dynema dogbone) from a quickdraw?

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Yea that would work perfect. I will have to get one of those.

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COOL! Glad I could help. Shop carefully they come in a few different lengths -- brand dependent.
 
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Sure looks like a great application for the sliding double fisherman's knot, From Jeff Jepson's 'The Tree Climber's Companion'.

It would cinch down on the biner nicely and could be girth hitched to the wrench or just run through. Also could be fid-dled with to desired length before being cut. The only turn off is it would be really cheap. Girthed to the wrench would be better, IMO, if the cord were small enough.

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A few things that I have thought about through the day that I will continue to add here. When I first started climbing with the rope wrench there were some jitters and a "I am not to sure about this thing". The biggest thing was just being on that single line. It was awkward. Then with being on that single line comes not being able to body thrust up that tree which myself and many others are so used to. Introduced the pantin and the lanyard over the shoulder and at first couldn't get the motion down. I stuck with it, dialed in the system and now the extra second to clip the lanyard over the shoulder (or the petzl voltige chest harness that seems to work best for me especially for the longer ascents) makes ascending up so much easier on the body as well as more efficient. Saves the body a lot of wear and tear by putting it in your legs.

The other thing I had to get used to is trusting my tie in points and understanding the concepts that come with a basal anchor. Now I set up the throwline to get through at least two crotches or ascend up the side that I see puts less "pull down" on a limb.

The easiest part was changing how I planned my route through the tree. I explained it a little in my first post but you no longer have to look for that good central tie-in point. Now it really depends on the tree but on the most recent ones I find I work the tree from the tallest section or part to the lowest.

The greatest thing about the rope wrench is how fun climbing trees truly has become. You no longer are fighting the occasional steep rope angles because you drop in above the limbs after you just worked that limb.

Some of the things that I look forward to is how SRT moves forward.
Tests like the ones I am hearing about being done will be great to read about and truly understand this new technique with the rope wrench.

I would also like to see some custom sewn tethers like the ones above but made exactly for the rope wrench. Maybe something like a very very short daisy chain that has a loop or slot for the over the shoulder technique.

As far as the Rope Wrench itself I think it would be great to see midline attachable without the pin, more rope friendly surfaces, and maybe some color to it. I think after some of the science proves exactly how it works that it can be dialed in better for each individual right out of the box. I also have no doubt that these are Kevin's same thoughts. I am just glad to be on the bandwagon with the other users.
 
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Sweet post man, glad you like it. You should definitely make it mid line attachable, and look into getting the thimble set up, makes it so much easier ascending.

Also, I don't know if you've done this yet, but look into the different anchor techniques for SRT, like the Ring/Ring Friction saver trick. Awesome little trick to have up one's sleeve when you don't want to double the weight on a TIP, or just don't want that anchor side of the rope to bear weight.
 
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One weekend on the wrench and I am off to the races. First time on SRT and I am sold love the 1:1 and the base tie was not bad. Another convert although DdRT will still be used as I still believe that it has it place in tree work for sure. I am stoked at being able to have something new to spend hours dialing in. I am one thrilled dude, it really was an eye opener and can't wait to work a tree with it. Swing.
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One weekend on the wrench and I am off to the races. First time on SRT and I am sold love the 1:1 and the base tie was not bad. Another convert although DdRT will still be used as I still believe that it has it place in tree work for sure. I am stoked at being able to have something new to spend hours dialing in. I am one thrilled dude, it really was an eye opener and can't wait to work a tree with it. Swing.
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I'm still getting the hang of it. I foreseee using SRT with the RW for pruning and sticking with Ddrt for removals.
 
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Agreed, you can do anything with the RW, it has changed my climbing and can't imagine life before SRT. Tr33Climb3r, love the set-up, I am going to start using PI soon, here a lot of positive remarks on the PI. I have been working spars with the RW, A-mazing!
 
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Removals will work great with the wrench depending on the tree but I always choked the spar with a running bowline and retrieval tail so now the wrench eliminates the tightened hitch in this scenario. However I will use the Ring/Ring with rigging plate I figure on removals as I don't want rigged out pieces going near a base tie. Just my opinion. And I figure a long lanyard would be a great combination for quick jaunts up vertical spars as a short Ddrt line. Just thinking ahead. I am a jump right in dude. Just do it. The trees down here favor the wrench spreading with lots of great scaffold branches. Except the dreaded Casaurinas.
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For removals just tie off at the top. It dont need to be retrievable as your taking the tree down
 
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Hey, Nora. I was thinking the same thing for certain removals. Sometimes it feels nice to walk up a spar on spikes as you tend the working side of a DRT system.

I know, I know...DRT is old hat...I know...but it's still fun sometimes! Maybe that's just because climbing is fun in general.
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Overall, I just have to say, climbing SRT with the Wrench gets me all excited every single time, and I reach for it FAR more than my DRT system.
 
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Sweet post man, glad you like it. You should definitely make it mid line attachable, and look into getting the thimble set up, makes it so much easier ascending.

Also, I don't know if you've done this yet, but look into the different anchor techniques for SRT, like the Ring/Ring Friction saver trick. Awesome little trick to have up one's sleeve when you don't want to double the weight on a TIP, or just don't want that anchor side of the rope to bear weight.

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Thanks, I do have the pins now. This was an old picture.

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Tr33Climb3r, love the set-up, I am going to start using PI soon, here a lot of positive remarks on the PI. I have been working spars with the RW, A-mazing!

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Thanks. I have actually been using Rocketline recently I actually like it more than poison ivy. I feel the poison ivy is a little more slick but either one works fine.
 

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