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They ought to deck out the shooting ranges to look like schools, have dummy kids running around and stuff, get people used to firing guns around classrooms.
Makes sense when you think about it.
 
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We all like to believe we'd be the hero, but the fact is very very few people have the psychological and mental capacity to take a life.

In a flight or fight situation life will invariably try to flee first and fight as a literal last resort. It's about self preservation. It's hardwired in nature and takes an incredible amount of training to overcome. And the average Joe/Jane Public is severely under equipped in that regard

The old saying, "no plan survives first contact with the enemy." Or as I prefer it, Tyson's, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
 
Boomslang said:
We all like to believe we'd be the hero, but the fact is very very few people have the psychological and mental capacity to take a life.

In a flight or fight situation life will invariably try to flee first and fight as a literal last resort. It's about self preservation. It's hardwired in nature and takes an incredible amount of training to overcome. And the average Joe/Jane Public is severely under equipped in that regard

The old saying, "no plan survives first contact with the enemy." Or as I prefer it, Tyson's, "Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth."
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I agree. As silly as it sounds to some, my first plan/action that I focus on (when I think hypothetically) is to pray. To ask God for direction, safety, and the strength and courage to do what needs done. Whether that is to save just my family, to save others, to distract the shooter, or to just die trying to do one of the above. That is my only real plan, to pray and listen.

I do believe some people are hard wired differently, hence why we have so many different kinds of jobs and people that love doing it...from trash to police to army etc. There are people who are wired to fight over flight.
 
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I understand the potential issues of being shot by the cops. And also the potential of a missing and hitting someone else, the legal issue with that. Getting shot by the police would suck, but in my mind an acceptable risk...and I would not want the cops to be punished in any way for it. Me killing an innocent would be horrible...something that would be extremely hard to live with. That being said, If I carried a gun, I'd be darn sure to practice, a lot, to be sure of my aim in different scenarios and elevated heart rate etc.

I agree with getting family and others out safely, if possible. That would be my primary goal.

So as a former officer, you would get your family out and leave with them? Not looking to shame you or anything, I believe this is a very personal choice and no real wrong answer. I'm just curious as what you would do with your more hands on experience.
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With my family, yes. Their safety is my first priority.
If I were alone, well, a lot of variables. I think if I were in the immediate vicinity when the gunman first opened fire, I would engage, armed or not. I may get killed in the process, but it could be enough to slow the shooter down and buy others some time. If it had been going on for some time, I'm several stores away, etc, it's really hard to say. Diminished returns me thinks. There are probably officers making entry by now, seeking out the gunman. No reason for me to try to do the same, and be misidentified as the shooter. I'm a regular joe wearing regular clothes. No sign that says "Don't shoot me I'm a good guy." I generally don't carry these days.
 
climbhightree said:
I agree. As silly as it sounds to some, my first plan/action that I focus on (when I think hypothetically) is to pray. To ask God for direction, safety, and the strength and courage to do what needs done. Whether that is to save just my family, to save others, to distract the shooter, or to just die trying to do one of the above. That is my only real plan, to pray and listen.

I do believe some people are hard wired differently, hence why we have so many different kinds of jobs and people that love doing it...from trash to police to army etc. There are people who are wired to fight over flight.
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You’re right, you sound silly.
 
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I care enough to recognize that it isn't just a gun killing someone,
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Thus far you have consistently defended the gun while blaming everyone and everything but the gun for the American gun violence epidemic. Strangely your wording here I different. "I care enough to recognize that it isn't just a gun killing someone". Did you just concede that the gun bears some responsibility for all the American gun carnage?
 
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Can you, that are on the gun ban side honestly say that if you were a witness to a shooting, bombing, multiple stabbings would not wish you had possession of a gun to put a stop to it? A gun with more than just a couple bullets in case you miss, and then have to directly defend yourself?

Or would you prefer to just run and protect your own life and screw anyone else...then use it politically to advance your own agenda.
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So the self appointed constitutional expert who recently told us that "according to the constitution it should be legal for me to own a nuke" is also trying to sell us the good guy with a gun debunked nonsense...How did that work out in Buffalo where there was a good guy with a gun? How did it work out in Uvalde Texas where around a dozen professional good guys with guns? Not so fucking good if I remember correctly

We live in a country with more guns than people yet we experience an unprecendented level on gun violence. Please tell us how many more guns will it take before we miraculously became safe?
 
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Thus far you have consistently defended the gun while blaming everyone and everything but the gun for the American gun violence epidemic. Strangely your wording here I different. "I care enough to recognize that it isn't just a gun killing someone". Did you just concede that the gun bears some responsibility in all the American gun violence, or are you gonna run from your words once again?
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You crack me up lol. you take two words "isn't just" and blow it completely out of proportion. You are one strange person that you are getting hung up on this. I've explained me position well enough.

A gun is a inanimate object, it can't think and can't cause any harm on it own. It is one of many tools one could use to terrorize and cause mass violence/death. You can't cousel a gun, you can't try a gun in front of it peers. A gun can be used for good and bad, but niether is the guns fault.

Evil people do evil shit...blame them. You remove all guns and evil peole will still do evil shit but just find another way to kill, destroy and maim people: bombs, knives, swords, chainsaws, bows. If someone wants to kill the list is almost endless.

I think all chippers should be outlawed, they have killed too many people. From now on everyone has to use a debris truck or haul the brush in another way. Oh, no climbing for removals or trimming; grapple saw cranes and lift/bucket trucks only. :frenetico:
 
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So the self appointed constitutional expert who recently told us that "according to the constitution it should be legal for me to own a nuke" is also trying to sell us the good guy with a gun debunked nonsense...How did that work out in Buffalo where there was a good guy with a gun? How did it work out in Uvalde Texas where there were 19 professional good guys with guns? Not so fucking good if I remember correctly

We live in a country with more guns than people yet we experience an unprecendented level on gun violence. Please tell us how many more guns will it take before we miraculously became safe?
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I am far from a expert, maybe i know more than you maybe I don't. I honestly don't know much other what I been taught in school and read or heard throughout the years.

If you don't like our country or laws, you are welcome to move.

People sometimes don't do their jobs, or are scared to do it. Maybe there were scared of dying , or maybe they were scared of making a mistake in this political climate. That is a problem, just like the reasons behind why the shooter is doing the shooting is a problem.
 
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People sometimes don't do their jobs, or are scared to do it. Maybe there were scared of dying , or maybe they were scared of making a mistake in this political climate. That is a problem, just like the reasons behind why the shooter is doing the shooting is a problem.
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Thanks for making my point..The good guy with a gun delusion is just that. A delusion.

Please get back to us soon on just how many more guns are needed before American becomes safe...

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If you don't like our country or laws, you are welcome to move.
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I'm gonna give you a mulligan on that one son.

climbhightree said:
I am far from a expert, maybe i know more than you maybe I don't. I honestly don't know much other what I been taught in school and read or heard throughout the years.
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You admit that you are no expert on the constitution yet you claim that "according to the constitution it should be legal for me to own a nuke". Just how full of shit are you bro?
 
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Guns aren't a problem when there's no ammo available. It was in short supply before covid and it's supposedly worse now. I haven't bought ammo in a good while. Haven't needed to since I got the armadillo population knocked down.
 
Alright so for all you gun wielding, we need armed teachers and armed cops stationed in the schools profiling the students… because YES that’s what the fuck really happens, speaking from probably the first generation to have a cop on school grounds (thanks to Columbine).

What do guns and abortions have in common?

Now explain how they are both pro life? As I’m hearing some spark of life happens when the little spermy meets a egg. And any and every average Joe that packs is capable of saving lives by ending a school shooting, and not shooting that student of color because it looked like they had a gun.

And we sound nuts? Gosh damn leftists…
 
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Alright so for all you gun wielding, we need armed teachers and armed cops stationed in the schools profiling the students… because YES that’s what the fuck really happens, speaking from probably the first generation to have a cop on school grounds (thanks to Columbine).

What do guns and abortions have in common?

Now explain how they are both pro life? As I’m hearing some spark of life happens when the little spermy meets a egg. And any and every average Joe that packs is capable of saving lives by ending a school shooting, and not shooting that student of color because it looked like they had a gun.

And we sound nuts? Gosh damn leftists…
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Not at all what I have said, but whatever. Think what you want, and I'll do the same. Which works because this country gives us the freedom to do so and vote accordingly.
 
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