"One handing" a chainsaw??!!

southsoundtree said:
You tell that kid to adjust their judgment Pronto, and quit being a Dum Newb, before killing someone, or getting hurt.

Teaching judgment is way harder than technique.
The sh*t YouTube and forums don't teach.

You have to train them, and instill in ten that if they f@ck up, no Nintendo reset button... Someone is dead or hurt.

Two guys are/ were in Harborview Trauma, in Seattle, simultaneously

Go train that kid with some good pictures of trying to be The Man, when not The Man.

Hard on equipment is not a model to follow. If you're hard on equipment, your short on finesse, I'm, unless directed to "Get 'er Dun!" By the person signing checks.
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Yep. It was a good opportunity to teach about how safety is a personal choice. Doesn’t matter if someone else gets away with it. No respect for the danger of a saw is how you get cut. Apprentice definitely got acquainted with the handsaw after that. When people are new the sketchballs who take big risks seem like bad asses while the people who are actually good have control and make it look easy. The guy I was talking about wasn’t really a big ego, it was just the way he’d always done it and no one was enforcing anything. Always gonna be cowboys around. Sucks when management doesn’t care in a big corporate structure. Creates an attitude of well that rule doesn’t get followed or enforced so none of these rules are actually important.
 
Phillip Schissler said:
Sucks when management doesn’t care in a big corporate structure. Creates an attitude of well that rule doesn’t get followed or enforced so none of these rules are actually important.
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I created a bad environment for myself when I tried to get my employers to follow industry rules and standards. My concern was interpreted as insubordination even when I had them read the regs. NOt good
 
It's kinda like how pro athletes are running their teams now adays instead of the coaches.
And if that coach has an issue with him, now adays it's the coach who's gotta go instead of the player.
 
evo said:
I want the deets, pm or otherwise pls
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I haven't checked in to see how John Ogletree is progressing. The faux pas which caused his fall was attempting to set a line in a Port Orford cedar. Didn't work. He fell.

Patrick Clemo, my associate, ex-worker, and now owner of Westside Tree Care, walked under a 110 lb fir chunk, from ~70 feet up. 13 broken bones.... I took care of his work while he mended. He's made an amazing recovery! And is at close to full strength. He and the guy who dropped the log (works for him and subs for me) are climbing an 8000'+ peak this weekend.
 
Roger_Barnett said:
I haven't checked in to see how John Ogletree is progressing. The faux pas which caused his fall was attempting to set a line in a Port Orford cedar. Didn't work. He fell.

Patrick Clemo, my associate, ex-worker, and now owner of Westside Tree Care, walked under a 110 lb fir chunk, from ~70 feet up. 13 broken bones.... I took care of his work while he mended. He's made an amazing recovery! And is at close to full strength. He and the guy who dropped the log (works for him and subs for me) are climbing an 8000'+ peak this weekend.
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Re: Patrick, daum that sucks and sounds like he used up one of his 9 lives

Re: John. That leaves me with more questions! Setting a tag line for felling? Free climbing or TIP break? Or hanger come down on top of him while using a throwline?
 
I used to one hand the shit out of a chainsaw. In the tree, in the bucket, whatever. There's ways a way to justify it.
I'm only 29 years old. So 3 years ago I was having elbow problems that had me digging for solutions, arm bands or braces, stretching routines, ibuprofen, gloves....
The solution was to stop one handing the damn saw. I stopped doing it (also brought this mindset into climbing and stopped trying to muscle my way around so much with arms) and my elbows haven't bothered me since.
There have been times where at the moment I elected to one hand a saw since. I know sitting here that every time has been because I didnt get in better positioning. With the mindset to work this out of my life, I've gotten much better at positioning quickly.
It's not the most dangerous thing we face every day, and it may never get you. But it does get people, and most of us are as susceptible as anyone else. Reflexes and reactions are hard to train without reliving the same thing over and over. One hand on a saw is a set up in a moment of quick reaction response in my opinion
 
evo said:
Re: Patrick, daum that sucks and sounds like he used up one of his 9 lives

Re: John. That leaves me with more questions! Setting a tag line for felling? Free climbing or TIP break? Or hanger come down on top of him while using a throwline?
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Lifeline. TIP broke. I've always said the most dangerous thing we do is setting a lifeline and climbing on it..especially in a conifer where it is hard to get it set near the trunk and/or over more than one limb, and when visual inspection is difficult due to foliage blocking its view. And in a dense canopied lawson cedar with (most likely) downsloping limbs..?? Fuggedaboutit.... Three point climb the MF'er...
 
Roger_Barnett said:
Lifeline. TIP broke. I've always said the most dangerous thing we do is setting a lifeline and climbing on it..especially in a conifer where it is hard to get it set near the trunk and/or over more than one limb, and when visual inspection is difficult due to foliage blocking its view. And in a dense canopied lawson cedar with (most likely) downsloping limbs..?? Fuggedaboutit.... Three point climb the MF'er...
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You should try setting a line in 2nd growth Redwood. Super dense foliage. Extremely fragile down sloping limbs. Very difficult to get it set near the trunk. More often than not you just have to man-up and throw flip-line around it and spur up like folks have been doing since the dawn of time. Hard work, but better safe than sorry.
 
Roger_Barnett said:
Lifeline. TIP broke. I've always said the most dangerous thing we do is setting a lifeline and climbing on it..especially in a conifer where it is hard to get it set near the trunk and/or over more than one limb, and when visual inspection is difficult due to foliage blocking its view. And in a dense canopied lawson cedar with (most likely) downsloping limbs..?? Fuggedaboutit.... Three point climb the MF'er...
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Yeah, I've had a string of these downward limbs, forget the high TIP, get the line up where you can see it, ascend with lanyard(s). Sad thing.. Should never happen.
 
rico said:
You should try setting a line in 2nd growth Redwood. Super dense foliage. Extremely fragile down sloping limbs. Very difficult to get it set near the trunk. More often than not you just have to man-up and throw flip-line around it and spur up like folks have been doing since the dawn of time. Hard work, but better safe than sorry.
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Like above, for preservation/pruning work we skip the spurs, ascend the line like any other tree but keep a lanyard around the trunk.
We do get some bushy landscape reds up here quite commonly. I've heard some of the folks down your way prefer a hatchet, sharpened back edge of a handsaw, or just stab the limbs with gaffs to get them to pop off.
 
I do the lanyard around the trunk on a conifer if questioning the PSP/ TIP...with a ropewalker, on a vertical stem, it's almost like spurring up.
 
evo said:
Like above, for preservation/pruning work we skip the spurs, ascend the line like any other tree but keep a lanyard around the trunk.
We do get some bushy landscape reds up here quite commonly. I've heard some of the folks down your way prefer a hatchet, sharpened back edge of a handsaw, or just stab the limbs with gaffs to get them to pop off.
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I very rarely prune Redwoods, but when I do choose Dos Equis!
 
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