minding pulleys

Hey everyone, this is my first post. been sitting back and reading and think you guys are great. hope i can get some help like the other new climbers i've been seeing


can someone tell/show me how they use a micro pulley to mind their hitch with a split tail system. especially what you use to attatch to your harness.
 
maybe my question isnt clear. i was simply wondering how to mind a knot with a micro pulley. how does is attatch to the harness, do you simply pull the rope, it minds completely by itself, ect?.
 
The basic setup is illustrated on p. 53 of the Tree Climber's Companion. There are many variations on the theme.

I'll bet dollars to donuts that you can find some illustrations if you spend a little time with our buddy "Search" Look for "slack tender" or maybe "micro pulley"

My slack tender is just a brass swivel snap. I quit using a pulley. Saves a bunch of money and one less piece of gear to fumble.
 
Jason,

The idea with slack tenders is that, when you pull the tail of your rope, the pulley (or snap or carabiner) will push the bottom of the knot, advancing it and allowing you to strip out the slack with one hand. It doesn't really matter how you attach it, since it is not a load-bearing part of the system. You can tie it to the harness with a shoelace if you want.

I think most guys clip a biner or snap into the dee ring that they're tied into below the primary biner. You could also clip into the main biner itself, but you won't be able to remove as much slack from there. If you want to experiment without spending much money, get a utility biner or a keychain biner (a buck at the hardware store) and clip it to the main dee below your tie-in biner, then around the tail of your rope. A pulley will give you a little leverage and won't bite into the rope, making it easier to pull out slack, but a biner does the job and will let you get used to the principle.

Advanced hitches like the MT, VT, french prussik, distal, etc., put the pulley right next to (in the middle of?) the hitch, allowing smoother and more complete slack tending (sometimes the weight of the rope will pull out slack for you). They are also faster and, in some cases, need closer monitoring. If you are still pretty new to climbing (just guessing since you aren't familiar with slack tenders) you might want to get a few more hours in your harness before stepping up to one of these methods.

k
 
its funny, i never couold get a pulley to efficiently tend slack on my blakes configuration. maybe i never spent enough time fine tuning.
thoroughly recommend the vt hitch although as babberney said, if you're new to climbing get comfy with something simple like the blakes first
 
thanks. i didnt realize it could be so simple. i am farely new at this, at least with my own equipment. i just finished a degree in horticulture and was fascinated with arb class so i just got some gear. having a blast with it. so im trianed, but not experienced in all the gadgets and tricks. thanks for the advice.

Jason
 
Jason, I'm new to this myself. Finished class at ACRT in Ocotber. Started out using the Tautline and body thrust. Arghhh! Yesterday, for the first, I used a French Prusik with the Petzel Pantin. What a difference. I didn't have a pulley minder. The knot moved up easily without one, but I think one could help. I used a Eye & Eye Prusik Cord (Sherrill has them), with both eyes locked into a carabiner. Someone else on the forum mentioned it. That's what moved me to give it a try.

Good Luck!
Jim
 
thanks guys,

yeah jim i've been looking at that plantin fot a while. i used it a while back with a blakes and no pulley and it was still easier than a body thrust. I also was taught something called a double blakes, which is similar to what someone posted before. you leave tail on your hitch (blakes for me) and tie another blakes back to the line your tied in to and it tends your knot as you pull. makes a real easy ascent.
man, talking about this makes me want to go climb. i think i will... /forum/images/graemlins/pbj.gif /forum/images/graemlins/pbj.gif
 
Yoav,

Robert Phillips has been teaching this technique for a couple of years. I believe that he slides the 2nd hitch up high to ascend and then just slides it down a little when he wants to descend. He's really creative! /forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
yeah i just put the "pulling" blakes above my hitch whne ascending. i just pull and i go up, and stay up. pull the know below the hitch to descend. works great for me. i actually have nerve damage in my right arming where i cant really use it at all, this really helps me. who said a one arm man couldnt climb a tree anyway?? /forum/images/graemlins/jamminz.gif
 

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