Job opportunity!

I have received word of several openings with the Federal gov't. for tree climbers and climber/supervisors in New York and Chicago. The work is with detection and eradication efforts on Asian Long horned beetles. I will try to attach three documents with info.
 

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Sounds kinda cheap to me. We did ALB inspections here in NJ for two years and it wasn't easy money. We climbed (spikeless of course) 50 trees each/day. All you did was march from tree to tree and climb up and down looking for holes or egg nitches. We all got paid more than they are offering by a long shot.

I like the part described for the supervisor where they say "insubordinate climbers". No offense, but all you really need is a target area and a list of the key species to inspect and you're off and running. No "supervisor" needed.
 
Well, Mark, I'm not taking the position of recommending this as something not to be missed. And what would make a good career move for someone of your experience clearly would not be the same for a youngster in the field. No one ever accused the Feds of paying it's lower graded employees top dollar. But don't overlook the benefit package, which is as good as that sort of thing gets, nor that a 25% hazard pay clause exists. The paycheck comes every two weeks, with no down time for seasonal fluctuations so common to the arbo trade. I just wanted folks to know about the opportunity.

I think it says "subordinate climbers", not "insubordinate".
 
I think the notice is a great opportunity for the right person. I did a stint with a city parks department when I was younger and it helped shape my career. They paid for my ISA certification, my CDL license, hurricane cleanup experience and the IRA account they set up for me (they matched my contributions 2-1) ended up paying the down payment on my own house. I might not even be in tree work today if I hadn't received so much training and direction from the city of Winter Park. The pay stank but the benefits helped shape my life.

Some young kid looking for climbing experience and a little direction will be very thankful for this job. Perhaps Mark forgot what it's like to be starting out as an inexperienced climber with a desire to learn. I'm disappointed in your response, Mark.
 
Sorry to disappoint you Rock, but that's the way it seems to me. Like I've said, been there-done that. It isn't very gratifying work as a climber. Think about it, you climb trees all day long near warehouses and train tracks (not the most scenic areas), you climb trees that belong to other people that sometimes are less than supportive of your cause, cars are usually parked under most of the street trees making every move critical in an un-pruned tree and you never get to cut a thing! What fun. And to top it all off, the thing you are looking for (and most times never see)is something you don't really want to find in the first place.

I'd rather be the subcontractor who can take part in this for the experience, but still gets to take a break and practice some hands on treework whenever you feel like it. Something tells me that the tax money would be better spent hiring subs in to do this from local areas to do this a couple days a week.

I did it for a couple of months and could not even imagine trying to drag myself out of bed every morning with that scenario in front of me. But, to each is own. Give it a try Rock.
 
You still don't get it, do you Mark? I already have 15 years of saddle time. Like I said earlier, I did my Government job. Would I repeat it? Never. But it was an important stepping stone for me.

Where else will a young, inexperienced climber get that much saddle time with pay and benefits, without having to drag brush and tote logs?
Government work is unlike working for a private entity. There is no financial incentive to be productive so no one is ever pushed beyond their comfort level. I was able to start up and run a part time tree service while working for the Government and they paid for my training and health insurance! I was never tired after 8 hours of 'work' and was able to go out after work to earn my living. But I was exposed to techniques and methods on how to do proper tree work.

Maybe I'm wasting bandwidth here. Obviously you have made your spot and could care less about anybody else learning anything. Your comment that you have 'been there and done that' tells me that you got yours and you don't care if the new guy gets his. At least consider that this job might offer an opportunity for some kid who isn't blessed with all the opportunities you had or all the talent you were born with. Different people have different goals and desires. Just because it isn't right for you doesn't make it wrong for every kid just starting to climb.
 

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Understood Rock. I'm not saying that this isn't an "opportunity" for some, I'm just saying that there is more than meets the eye. Maybe someone is looking at it the way you are, and maybe someone is seeing what they might encounter by reading my thoughts.

A paying job is a paying job. It will be filled. Will the climbers gain anything substantial from it? Who really knows. I personally think that it is just a paying job with little else. If given a choice, I would rather work on a private crew and drag brush and start that way. To me, the scouting position slows you down more than providing much of a stepping stone.

That is of course if the person WANTS to move into private tree care. Maybe the right person for this job is someone who likes to climb a bit but really has no desire in tree preservation and such. Then, it may enable them to start a career with the USDA or other agency. Either way, glad to see BC post this info!
 
Burnham did the right thing by posting the job description here. The good thing about it is somebody knew the exact nature of the work. Thanks for the work description Mark, I appreciate the candor.

Joe
 

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