- Location
- Longmont, CO
Is this even legal?
- Thread starter MTCInc
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- Location
- Longmont, CO
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- tulsa oklahoma
Jamin those Boxers are really neat machines and ur pics were cool. I had the op to buy one really cheap last year and didnt and am now kicking myself. Gonna get one mid summer though. Do you not have a log grapple attachment 4 urs or do you just like the forks better?
D.W.H
D.W.H
- Location
- Bay Area, California
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Mtcinc. not to hijack this thread but since I dont live in cali I have no idea about what I am about to ask you. Anytime that a tree service removes a redwood do they normally take the trunk to a mill? I know that here in Ok that redwood is a very desirable board to build decks out of, but it is also very expensive. Just curious if that is common practice? Thanks
D.W.H
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Not really, unless it is a large redwood (say over 4' diam). Most of the city redwoods are pretty fast growers, and there is not much "heart wood" in the trees, mostly white sapwood, so not that valuable to the mills. Redwood seems to be taking a dive! Other, more exotic woods are getting pretty popular in place of redwood decking. Personally, I would not be using redwood anymore for decking. The common grade is just not very red, and the heart wood is way to expensive, as a result of not many big trees being cut. All my opinion, of course...
Just one last comment from me on the felling in the road work. Here in the Bay Area, people are so damn uptight and over worked. I just cannot imagine the public around here having much tolerance to have someone drop a tree in the middle of the road, just cuz it is easier for them to do. I would also think lots of people would have a bad feeling towards the tree company for acting like a logger along a city street. After all, we have all this nice, neat rigging gear for a purpose? Anyone can fell a tree into a street, but it takes more skill to rig down a tree in a tight spot. All my opinion of course.
No offense to any of you intended at all. More power to you! Now I know why I stay away from removals, to much competition (never know when your bidding against the guy who's gonna drop it in the road)
Mtcinc. not to hijack this thread but since I dont live in cali I have no idea about what I am about to ask you. Anytime that a tree service removes a redwood do they normally take the trunk to a mill? I know that here in Ok that redwood is a very desirable board to build decks out of, but it is also very expensive. Just curious if that is common practice? Thanks
D.W.H
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Not really, unless it is a large redwood (say over 4' diam). Most of the city redwoods are pretty fast growers, and there is not much "heart wood" in the trees, mostly white sapwood, so not that valuable to the mills. Redwood seems to be taking a dive! Other, more exotic woods are getting pretty popular in place of redwood decking. Personally, I would not be using redwood anymore for decking. The common grade is just not very red, and the heart wood is way to expensive, as a result of not many big trees being cut. All my opinion, of course...
Just one last comment from me on the felling in the road work. Here in the Bay Area, people are so damn uptight and over worked. I just cannot imagine the public around here having much tolerance to have someone drop a tree in the middle of the road, just cuz it is easier for them to do. I would also think lots of people would have a bad feeling towards the tree company for acting like a logger along a city street. After all, we have all this nice, neat rigging gear for a purpose? Anyone can fell a tree into a street, but it takes more skill to rig down a tree in a tight spot. All my opinion of course.
No offense to any of you intended at all. More power to you! Now I know why I stay away from removals, to much competition (never know when your bidding against the guy who's gonna drop it in the road)
- Location
- Longmont, CO
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Jamin those Boxers are really neat machines and ur pics were cool. I had the op to buy one really cheap last year and didnt and am now kicking myself. Gonna get one mid summer though. Do you not have a log grapple attachment 4 urs or do you just like the forks better?
D.W.H
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I've got the grapple too. I like both. But, forks allow for larger lift capacity. And when I have the area to pick up larger loads, the forks it is.
The BMG's boom sticks out quite far. So, what is doable with forks cannot always be done with the grapple.
Jamin those Boxers are really neat machines and ur pics were cool. I had the op to buy one really cheap last year and didnt and am now kicking myself. Gonna get one mid summer though. Do you not have a log grapple attachment 4 urs or do you just like the forks better?
D.W.H
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I've got the grapple too. I like both. But, forks allow for larger lift capacity. And when I have the area to pick up larger loads, the forks it is.
The BMG's boom sticks out quite far. So, what is doable with forks cannot always be done with the grapple.
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- TN
we are constantly performing removals and we consider them to be a "harvest" and doing it the most safe and efficient manner is always in order. Whether you drop it in the road and make quick work of it or have to perform a technicle controled operation. We always find something to do with the wood. That being said, we are loggers, just a more precise type if you will. wood is a renewable resource. use it.
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- Salmon Arm British Columbia, Canada
Do it almost daily. For sure weekly we are dropping a tree on a road or someones drive.
But I can see in some areas where it would be frowned upon highly.
Still its often the safest and most efficient way, if a couple of pedestrians or some low volume traffik should be held up for a moment or two, its not that big of a deal, certainly nothing that would ever have me considering climbing and chunking down a tree that is perfectly safe to drop on the pavement.
A four to six man crew can have a lane cleared for traffic with a tree that size I would venture to guess inside ten minutes, you get the rope out, make a few cuts to clear branches out of way etc... clear a lane and let any im[patient motorists or peddees through.
Tree all chipped up and cut into fire wood size pieces inside a half hour(cutting the firewood would probably be the most time consuming task of the job).
But I can see in some areas where it would be frowned upon highly.
Still its often the safest and most efficient way, if a couple of pedestrians or some low volume traffik should be held up for a moment or two, its not that big of a deal, certainly nothing that would ever have me considering climbing and chunking down a tree that is perfectly safe to drop on the pavement.
A four to six man crew can have a lane cleared for traffic with a tree that size I would venture to guess inside ten minutes, you get the rope out, make a few cuts to clear branches out of way etc... clear a lane and let any im[patient motorists or peddees through.
Tree all chipped up and cut into fire wood size pieces inside a half hour(cutting the firewood would probably be the most time consuming task of the job).
The underground utilities are an issue. Company I use to work for dropped about a 60' pine with only about 6' of top to it and when it landed across the road it punctured a plastic gas line about 6" under the ground. Yeah after paying for the repair and the fire department to grace us with their presence for 5 minutes we did that removal for free.
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- Springfield, MO USA
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It is going to take at least 1 hour to completely clear that out of the road.
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Not with a bobcat--just push it off to the side and clear a lane. I'll bet 10 minutes max. We dropped a big dead pin oak into the road today. Got one lane clear and coned off our work zone on the rest. Gotta love it!
It is going to take at least 1 hour to completely clear that out of the road.
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Not with a bobcat--just push it off to the side and clear a lane. I'll bet 10 minutes max. We dropped a big dead pin oak into the road today. Got one lane clear and coned off our work zone on the rest. Gotta love it!
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
Dropped a top in the street today in honor of this thread.
- Location
- Bay Area, California
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It is going to take at least 1 hour to completely clear that out of the road.
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Not with a bobcat--just push it off to the side and clear a lane. I'll bet 10 minutes max. We dropped a big dead pin oak into the road today. Got one lane clear and coned off our work zone on the rest. Gotta love it!
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I said "completely", meaning SPOTLESS.
People are anal around here. They complain when a leaf lands on their driveway. In fact, they have banned gas leaf blowers in a few towns because they are so abused for the reasons of spotless, or leafless, properties.
I still think that is unprofessional. Save dropping the trees for the back yards or large front lots. Don't make the neighborhood take the impact because you wanna get the job done faster. Any schmo can fell a tree in the road.
If your neighbor is getting his plumbing worked on, and the plumber to cuts all water off in the area for an hour or so because it makes his job easier on him, are you gonna be happy about it? I bet not.
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It is going to take at least 1 hour to completely clear that out of the road.
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Not with a bobcat--just push it off to the side and clear a lane. I'll bet 10 minutes max. We dropped a big dead pin oak into the road today. Got one lane clear and coned off our work zone on the rest. Gotta love it!
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I said "completely", meaning SPOTLESS.
People are anal around here. They complain when a leaf lands on their driveway. In fact, they have banned gas leaf blowers in a few towns because they are so abused for the reasons of spotless, or leafless, properties.
I still think that is unprofessional. Save dropping the trees for the back yards or large front lots. Don't make the neighborhood take the impact because you wanna get the job done faster. Any schmo can fell a tree in the road.
If your neighbor is getting his plumbing worked on, and the plumber to cuts all water off in the area for an hour or so because it makes his job easier on him, are you gonna be happy about it? I bet not.
- Location
- TN
I have too many clients that dont mind a bit if we are saving them money!.We do it either way, as long as its safe and most efficient. Time is money.....
- Location
- Chapel Hill, NC
I see your point about professionalism but it's a little strident to me. If you clear the street to drivable conditions quickly, what's the problem? When you're gone there shouldn't be a leaf on the pavement but while you're working, why not?
Dropping versus piecing out can cost the customer a lot less money.
I have more of a problem with outfits that bring half a dozen big trucks and trailers to the job and park'em all along both sides of the street... it's like driving a gauntlet sometimes.
I think if you drop anything close to a street you have to positively control traffic. At least one guy, preferably two, handling only traffic during the operation.
Dropping versus piecing out can cost the customer a lot less money.
I have more of a problem with outfits that bring half a dozen big trucks and trailers to the job and park'em all along both sides of the street... it's like driving a gauntlet sometimes.
I think if you drop anything close to a street you have to positively control traffic. At least one guy, preferably two, handling only traffic during the operation.
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- tulsa oklahoma
Mtcinc. I think that professionalism is getting the job done in the most efficient, and safest way possible. If blocking down a tree is it, then so be it. If falling the tree across a drive or road is it, then so be it. And NO,NO,NO not just anyone can fall a tree across a road. I have seen many a "schmo" attempt this and fail. Youtube is full of the evidence.
But I always get approval from the surrounding houses, and residence b4 flopping a tree. That to me is professional enough.
D.W.H
But I always get approval from the surrounding houses, and residence b4 flopping a tree. That to me is professional enough.
D.W.H
If you take in to consideration all factors (ie. Traffic, possible damage, how long you need to block off the road, etc.) and dropping the tree on the road is still a valid option.
Then it’s probably unprofessional not to.
If it is going to take longer to block it down and raise the price are you not gouging the customer?
Then it’s probably unprofessional not to.
If it is going to take longer to block it down and raise the price are you not gouging the customer?
treehumper
Carpal tunnel level member
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- Ridgefield, NJ
Should this not be put to the customer as an option? Depending on the area it could cost more in ancillary expenses such as cops for traffic control and permits. It may also be an issue with neighbourly relations.
Myself, I put it to the client so they can make an informed decision.
Myself, I put it to the client so they can make an informed decision.
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- BC, Canada
Dropping one in the street like that is only professional if you have filed a road closure plan with the municipality so that Emergency Vehicle re-routing is in place.
Road closure, even for ten minutes with just a sign and some cones will get you in a heap of trouble if a fire truck pulls up with lights and sirens on while you cut and drag.
With a road closure plan...Bombs away!
Northwind
Road closure, even for ten minutes with just a sign and some cones will get you in a heap of trouble if a fire truck pulls up with lights and sirens on while you cut and drag.
With a road closure plan...Bombs away!
Northwind
southsoundtree
Been here much more than a while
- Location
- Olympia, WA
Perhaps one of the most important points is this one regarding emergency vehicles.
Consider if there is a bus route as well. Sometimes, it may be an low-frequency route, but backing a bus up is not likely to happen easily, so the driver may get upset, call dispatch, and bring in fuzz. HOpefully, not. Just a consideration.
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I would think that damage to the concrete and asphalt would be a big concern. Here in PNW, I've been told whole cedars, with flexible branches, is a whole different ballgame than Douglas-firs, with stiffer branches and overall denser wood.
Consider if there is a bus route as well. Sometimes, it may be an low-frequency route, but backing a bus up is not likely to happen easily, so the driver may get upset, call dispatch, and bring in fuzz. HOpefully, not. Just a consideration.
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I would think that damage to the concrete and asphalt would be a big concern. Here in PNW, I've been told whole cedars, with flexible branches, is a whole different ballgame than Douglas-firs, with stiffer branches and overall denser wood.
I'll be dropping a 55' dead oak in a street (or nearly so) tomorrow. It's a cul-de-sac, and the last house.
I'm not worried. It'll be gone in 60 seconds with the grapple, anyways.
I'm not worried. It'll be gone in 60 seconds with the grapple, anyways.
- Location
- San Diego, Ca. North county
Not here, but good cuts,and good try.
Jeff
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