HUMAN.....man is still at it.... THIS dude is on something

[rico]

Put up dangerous work, poor judgment, low-quality, fuck-it cuts, etc, expect people to say it's dangerous, with poor judgment, low-quality, with fuck-it cuts.

A preface to say that you've made poor judgments in the past, leading to hospitalization, and could have been fatal, and have endangered other people, is a good preface, so nobody thinks its a way to be. Falling out of a tree and continuing to video it, getting smashed like fuck by that black walnut, etc, etc, etc...judgment is lacking again and again.


This isn't prison. Sucks you went.
This is the outside. Life has much, much more value.
This isn't Good enough for Prison work.
Judgment is key.


Your PITA girlfriend can get you killed.

PITA girlfriends have almost gotten me in trouble and hurt...my employees' girlfriends being nut jobs or employees staying up too late with them, knowing what time work starts in the morning.



Start doing videos of solid work, good cutting, good judgment, you will get good good reviews from pro's, not just youtubers. Good advice , and Good collective wisdom, too.

Do stupid shit, get hammered for doing stupid shit.
Keep doing stupid shit, you're going to be dead or someone else will be dead or injured.
Don't ask what YouTube will think, ask what reality will think.


Daniel makes hack videos to make money on Youtube, too. So what. He baffles people with bullshit. So what. Bullshitters have been around forever. Bullshit is bullshit. Quality is quality.

Damn dude! Honest & On Point. Great post!

 

[southsoundtree]

I'm going to focus on filming today, doing dangerous shit while making a nasty maple come down in a tight drop zone, like the (2) 4'+ cedars, around 125', I did last week, in a tight dropzone, with a professional plaintiff's waterfront property, 15' from the stump, flipping 13' logs right next to it.
BEAUTIFUL mill logs, too.

I was too busy doing solid, pro work to get video and insert things that would captivate casualty vampires. 10 fingers and toes, still, no TBIs.

I'll try to be distracted by catching stuff for YouTube, today.
Oh, yeah, I'll have to smash some stuff, at least. Endanger some folks.

Last week, on one cedar, when I wasn't positively certain of one log-flopping cut from 80' up or so, I carefully and safely descended, changed gears, re-ascended,and put the log in the tight lay. Oh, yeah, because I did it solo, chill, easy, no drama, no big deal, I had to rely on myself, assessment and cutting skills, planning, and judgment.

No new shed or transformer. No lawsuit, just new neighbor-customers.



You can make anything look difficult and make anything dangerous.

 

[islandarb]

Amen brothers. I like what Sean said, makes this whole thread make sense!

There are a lot of starting out arbs following these youtubers. They have no formal training or mentors. They silently watch treebuzz and youtube and other platforms...I personally think it needs attention. Treebuzz is a place of learning and growth moving arboriculture in the right direction....discussions help do this even if it hurts some feelings. ....feelings can mend ...loss of life is tragic....these threads might save a life someday....even if it is one....just my mindset......

 

[rustykfd]

Cory makes video about Cory. Trees is one of the things he does. He also works on his truck and his house and keeps his shop a hell of a lot cleaner than I could ever hope to. Cory shares his struggles and triumphs, if he was perfect, no one would be interested.


I’m not sure why some of you think you need to display your superiority to everyone that will listen.

I’ll admit I’ve been there, then I got old enough to realize I’m not shit in the big scheme of things, just another guy doing my stuff, making a living, raising a family.

YouTube is for entertainment.

If skill were the measure of success, this list wouldn’t look like this: (subscribers)

Cory 114k
August 35k
BBR 60k
Reg 13k
Daniel 9k


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[moss]

Certainly makes the case for a hard line "never one hand the saw". (I am in that camp..). This topic has been beat to death. There are always some who say they one hand on occasion when there is not another/better way to make the cut, but very few who say "I'm just too lazy to put both hands on the saw" or "I'm so awesome, i don't need both hands" one of which is what seems to be the case here.

This reply is so yesterday but want to say... there are rare situations where one-handing is likely safer where stable positioning is not possible, one hand on the tree makes the difference. As a go-to daily technique no. I understand that climbers can think they need to go as fast as possible, the extra seconds to achieve strong positioning are more than worth it.
-AJ

 

[rico]

Cory makes video about Cory. Trees is one of the things he does. He also works on his truck and his house and keeps his shop a hell of a lot cleaner than I could ever hope to. Cory shares his struggles and triumphs, if he was perfect, no one would be interested.


I’m not sure why some of you think you need to display your superiority to everyone that will listen.

I’ll admit I’ve been there, then I got old enough to realize I’m not shit in the big scheme of things, just another guy doing my stuff, making a living, raising a family.

YouTube is for entertainment.

If skill were the measure of success, this list wouldn’t look like this: (subscribers)

Cory 114k
August 35k
BBR 60k
Reg 13k
Daniel 9k


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I dont think this discussion has been about anyone here claiming superiority over others. To me it has been about folks expressing their concerns at some of the less than stellar, unsafe tree work being posted on Youtube. There are a lot of impressionable folks watching some very dangerous shit on youtube and I guarantee it has already caused injury and possible death. I did find it a little odd that some folks conflated Coreys vids and Daniels vids. One is a day to day working treeman, grinding it out, videoing fucking everything, and showing it to us warts and all. The other is a hack and a charlatan who spends his time advocating and defending unsafe, unproven, unsound, lazy, and downright dangerous methods. I myself wouldn't hesitate to work with Corey wreaking some Reds and talking shit. Daniel?????? I'd rather jam a dull butter knife in my own eye, thank you very much!

 

[rustykfd]

I myself wouldn't hesitate to work with Corey wreaking some Reds and talking shit. Daniel?????? I'd rather jam a dull butter knife in my own eye, thank you very much!

Agree with this 100%

BTW, just visited your neck of the woods on my MC. Generally of course, I don’t know exactly where you roam, but I was around(Cecilville, FOS, Bald Hill/Mountain, Lost Coast/Shelter Cove, Ave of Giants, Smith River area)...... just wandering around. Those trees are incredible. Thought of you while I was riding around in awe.


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[rico]

Agree with this 100%

BTW, just visited your neck of the woods on my MC. Generally of course, I don’t know exactly where you roam, but I was around(Cecilville, FOS, Bald Hill/Mountain, Lost Coast/Shelter Cove, Ave of Giants, Smith River area)...... just wandering around. Those trees are incredible. Thought of you while I was riding around in awe.


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I'm glad you got to visit the Reds, and it sounds like you covered some beautiful country. Every American should take the time to experience both the Coastal Reds and the Sequoia's at least once. True wonders of the world that will make you pause, get some perspective, and possibly believe in something bigger than us.

 

[ATH]

This reply is so yesterday but want to say... there are rare situations where one-handing is likely safer where stable positioning is not possible, one hand on the tree makes the difference. As a go-to daily technique no. I understand that climbers can think they need to go as fast as possible, the extra seconds to achieve strong positioning are more than worth it.
-AJ

While I disagree that it is sometimes safer, I'll roll with it and assume you have found those times. My point was that when guys use it as a daily technique, they make the case very strong for the hard line "never" argument. A guy who makes 2% of his cuts with one hand and only after having mapped it out and maybe even discussed with the ground crew makes the case for "only in special circumstances".

I think we agree on that...I was just pointing out that the one-hand use in the video makes it hard for your argument to stand. The way you worded it makes it easy for your argument to stand!

 

[ATH]

.....

ATH, I don't post video's because I think I'm great. I post video's because I make a decent amount of money from them, your welcome for correcting your incorrect view.
...

Thanks for posting Human! Hope you stick around - but understand you probably won't because you just told us you are too busy.

Since you addressed me directly, I'd be glad to engage in conversation. First: kudos for finding a legit revenue stream!

You aren't posting videos looking to learn or gain feedback are you? In context, that was my point.

 

[evo]

I’d just like to take a moment and brag.















I kept my mouth shut

 

[JeffGu]

Now, I'm suspicious that @evo is stoned out of his mind.

 

[evo]

Now, I'm suspicious that @evo is stoned out of his mind.

I do have to admit that I have been helping my friend dealing with voles at his pot farm.. Little fuckers are stoned out of their minds playing the parts straight outta 'Reefer Madness'

 

[southsoundtree]

Someone making money off putting out video perpetuating the tree guys are dangerous with poor judgment stereotype...meh, not very cool.


A solid full-disclosure at the beginning of the videos is all I ask.







One-handing is as safe as two-handing... as always, only cut what you intend, every single time, with attention and precision.
Poor judgment is dangerous. Poor execution is dangerous.
Handling a saw with one hand that is too heavy for you to fully control... Poor judgment.

 

[TimBr]

Hold up.. what kinda money are we talking about with the YouTube thing?

Yeah, it got me thinking I might need to start posting some vids of me modeling some Calvin Klein underwear...., but wait...the idea is to attract viewers, not drive them away from YouTube altogether. Never mind, then.

 

[Samsquanch]

@Samsquanch he is looking for an atta boy. Let's be realistic. Watch his style and attitude. It speaks volumes. @owScott is not being elitist he is making a discerned observation. Be in this biz long enough you will be able to spot the atta boys quite easily.

Everyone started at Zero. Lots of people never made it very far, past.

Doesn't take 30 years to be super pro.

Some take 30 years to be super average.



Don't start making videos that sound like Human's/ Daniel's, @samsquatch, or professing to be great, if you're good, or good if you're fair, or fair if you are dangerous.

Wrong samsquanch

 

[islandarb]

Wrong samsquanch

If you guys were around a few years back you would have had a hard time on this forum. Folk were real and brutal...you are getting soft soap these days...

 

[TimBr]

@swingdude; I just wanted to say I'm not sure what you meant by the previous post.

@Samsquanch was just trying to point out to you that when you used the "@" symbol followed by her screen name, you sent a notification to the wrong person. Her first post in this entire thread was the one you just quoted in the previous post. Every other post in this thread was by a male forum member with a very similar sounding username. Namely, @samsquatch. These two very different people live on opposite sides of the planet. That is all she was attempting to point out. She meant no offense, in my humble opinion.

Not relevant, but if I remember right, she's a rope splicer and smart as a whip. Again, in my humble opinion.

Tim

 

[islandarb]

@swingdude; I just wanted to say I'm not sure what you meant by the previous post.

@Samsquanch was just trying to point out to you that when you used the "@" symbol followed by her screen name, you sent a notification to the wrong person. Her first post in this entire thread was the one you just quoted in the previous post. Every other post in this thread was by a male forum member with a very similar sounding username. Namely, @samsquatch. These two very different people live on opposite sides of the planet. That is all she was attempting to point out. She meant no offense, in my humble opinion.

Not relevant, but if I remember right, she's a rope splicer and smart as a whip. Again, in my humble opinion.

Tim

Oh shit my apologies @Samsquanch.

 

[islandarb]

I meant that to @samsquatch.

 

[rico]

Honest mistake Swing. Hell, I got mildly confused just reading TimBr's explanation.
Good to know there is a rope slicing woman participating in the discussions around here! This place could certainly use a little more female perspective and wisdom....