tomthetreeman
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- Rhode Island
Since I know Scott personally I have to laugh at the last couple of posts... I think he's just messing with you, oldschool!
-Tom
-Tom
How many actual line clearance trimmers on site
- Thread starter oldschool
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- on the couch
sweet.
"how many actual line clearance trimmers on site " well I was just responding to your post. First of Im not your bro. Second this is exactly what i don't like about tree trimmers and third it sounds better to reduce then top. And I'm a man, you got some thing to say don't pm me.
MFer I have not done any line clearance for 3 years I was just making it up. You never know who on the other end of the line.
Line work sucks no one respects you (the workers) Every one thinks you are a hacker even when you do your best. When I was a trimer I did my work the best that I could do. I went out to win and most days we did. If you don't like your job become a GF and get the power to do some thing about it.
I don't know why you have to come here and look for a fight is arbor site down?
MFer I have not done any line clearance for 3 years I was just making it up. You never know who on the other end of the line.
Line work sucks no one respects you (the workers) Every one thinks you are a hacker even when you do your best. When I was a trimer I did my work the best that I could do. I went out to win and most days we did. If you don't like your job become a GF and get the power to do some thing about it.
I don't know why you have to come here and look for a fight is arbor site down?
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- on the couch
lol well u just got it all figured out dontcha bro?
maybe no one respected you. gf? yeah like can do squat about it. there isnt one out there that can and further more their souls are sold the minute they cross into management.
you started the sh*t. you hate most line clearance guys so hell....you may as well hate me and ill give you a good reason. BRO
maybe no one respected you. gf? yeah like can do squat about it. there isnt one out there that can and further more their souls are sold the minute they cross into management.
you started the sh*t. you hate most line clearance guys so hell....you may as well hate me and ill give you a good reason. BRO
you should just post "I'm oldschool and I'm an line clearance tree trimmer and I'm looking for a fight"
or "Disgruntled trimmer with nothing better to do then argue." You'll get plenty of responses.
or "Disgruntled trimmer with nothing better to do then argue." You'll get plenty of responses.
you should just post "I'm oldschool and I'm an line clearance tree trimmer and I'm looking for a fight"
or "Disgruntled trimmer with nothing better to do then argue." You'll get plenty of responses.
or "Disgruntled trimmer with nothing better to do then argue." You'll get plenty of responses.
- Location
- Dubois, Pennsylvania
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How many actual line clearance trimmers are here using this site? Im talking about guys who work for an actual contractor NOT a utility {in house}guy.....and how many miles of line a week does your crew put out on avarage. Are you onroad or off road crews? do you use hooks or not? Gimme the low down because the more i read on here the more i wonder where the hell eveyone gets their perception of utility trimming.
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Well since you asked, I work for Asplundh Tree Experts and EVERY crew is different. We all differ from size, equipment, speed, practices, carelessness, experience, and general thought process. I worked my way up from the bottom like most people do, I am now a work planner and when there are no new contracts in the area I run a climbing crew. I personally work with lazy people, rude people, good workers, ignorant workers, people that are trying to learn the best practices they can and some people that won't change their style. I try my best to better myself when possible, from 3 and 1/2 years ago at my beginning I have gotten my cdl my herb/pest applicator license, taken part on the safety committee and recently became a Certified Arborist. Our mileage varies between type of contract to the terrain to what type of work is being done and size and experience of the crew. Removals can always be spiked, most utilies do not care about climbing with gaffs. I personally do not let my crew spike yard trees but I can not control others. In the end not everyone is terrible but no one is an angel.
How many actual line clearance trimmers are here using this site? Im talking about guys who work for an actual contractor NOT a utility {in house}guy.....and how many miles of line a week does your crew put out on avarage. Are you onroad or off road crews? do you use hooks or not? Gimme the low down because the more i read on here the more i wonder where the hell eveyone gets their perception of utility trimming.
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Well since you asked, I work for Asplundh Tree Experts and EVERY crew is different. We all differ from size, equipment, speed, practices, carelessness, experience, and general thought process. I worked my way up from the bottom like most people do, I am now a work planner and when there are no new contracts in the area I run a climbing crew. I personally work with lazy people, rude people, good workers, ignorant workers, people that are trying to learn the best practices they can and some people that won't change their style. I try my best to better myself when possible, from 3 and 1/2 years ago at my beginning I have gotten my cdl my herb/pest applicator license, taken part on the safety committee and recently became a Certified Arborist. Our mileage varies between type of contract to the terrain to what type of work is being done and size and experience of the crew. Removals can always be spiked, most utilies do not care about climbing with gaffs. I personally do not let my crew spike yard trees but I can not control others. In the end not everyone is terrible but no one is an angel.
- Location
- near ashville n.c
trimming for wolf tree.. running a 4 man crew... gotta international 60ft bucket and a 06 f 150 x cab. where im trimming now is gravy compared to what i'm used to.. flat terrain.. it's too easy... lol
- Location
- New England
I work for a municipality. We have three trained line clearence arborists. light to heavy work for 8-10 weeks a year for the local utility. I call them heading cuts. 10 years ago, I was a new guy on a D***y crew. The JackA** forman would hide on the side roads. said he didn't get paid enough to kick . I think the work wears some guys out, nowhere to go except the next span. Three months was all I could take with those jokers. Oldschool VS. Boston Bull.
- Location
- Bluffton, SC
I dont want to bud-in here, but when I worked for asplundh there was too many guys hiding, to many guys sleeping in the man cabs, guys leaving stubs just to be funny, and ive even seen two guys throw a throwball at one tree for 8 hours. That is what I was taught when I did line clearance. When I got to be a forman my crew got crew of the quarter twice in a row for most production, most removals and scored 5/5 on proper prunning. And I am proud of that we busted our 's day in and day out. I left because of so much drama on who did what and whos a better trimmer everyone talkes behind everyones backs its a totel joke I think. I know there are good trimmers out there doing this work but its hard to find. Sorry I had to rant for a min.
And Boston keep up the good work
And Boston keep up the good work
Crazy_Jimmy
Participating member
- Location
- Texas
dang Sam
jim454
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- Location
- The land of Utopia
I started out doing line clearance. The boss had us sync our watches to his for break times and such. He also use to watch us with binoc's to make sure we were always working. I felt like I was in the military.
I hated that job but at least it got me the basics.
I hated that job but at least it got me the basics.
- Location
- Bluffton, SC
I totelly agree Jim it teaches you the basics, and I got that same feeling some times its like the military. I got screamed at because I had to stay home with my son who was having an allergy attack and had to go into the hospital how lame is that.
- Location
- Dubois, Pennsylvania
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I left because of so much drama on who did what and whos a better trimmer everyone talkes behind everyones backs its a totel joke I think. I know there are good trimmers out there doing this work but its hard to find. Sorry I had to rant for a min.
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Oh I know what you mean, line clearance would make a ridiculous reality tv show. It is constant drama I try to stay away but everyone gets sucked in once and awhile. I just go to work every day and do the best job I personally can with my crew and help spread the best knowledge that I know, whether anyone takes the help or not is on them but I know I did my part.
I left because of so much drama on who did what and whos a better trimmer everyone talkes behind everyones backs its a totel joke I think. I know there are good trimmers out there doing this work but its hard to find. Sorry I had to rant for a min.
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Oh I know what you mean, line clearance would make a ridiculous reality tv show. It is constant drama I try to stay away but everyone gets sucked in once and awhile. I just go to work every day and do the best job I personally can with my crew and help spread the best knowledge that I know, whether anyone takes the help or not is on them but I know I did my part.
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- Nationwide
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- Home of the New Jersey Devils
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One more here. We do transmission lines and I personally do it about 30% of the year, but our company is doing work all year round. Roadside, woods, mowing, spraying, widening...we do it all. Look for an article in the ISA mag next month about my point of view. It actually echoes some of what old school is angry about.
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One more here. We do transmission lines and I personally do it about 30% of the year, but our company is doing work all year round. Roadside, woods, mowing, spraying, widening...we do it all. Look for an article in the ISA mag next month about my point of view. It actually echoes some of what old school is angry about.
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[quoteOne more here. We do transmission lines and I personally do it about 30% of the year, but our company is doing work all year round. Roadside, woods, mowing, spraying, widening...we do it all. Look for an article in the ISA mag next month about my point of view. It actually echoes some of what old school is angry about.
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Good article Mark.
But about the "speaking with the public" I have, and 98% of the time it falls on deaf ears. Or they rubuttle it with "their own knowledge leaned from uncle Jake".
[quoteOne more here. We do transmission lines and I personally do it about 30% of the year, but our company is doing work all year round. Roadside, woods, mowing, spraying, widening...we do it all. Look for an article in the ISA mag next month about my point of view. It actually echoes some of what old school is angry about.
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Good article Mark.
But about the "speaking with the public" I have, and 98% of the time it falls on deaf ears. Or they rubuttle it with "their own knowledge leaned from uncle Jake".
- Location
- Foothills of NC
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It's gonna take time for people to understand proper pruning principles. Between that and "Right Tree, Right Place", people haven't been educated on these issues very much. Sometimes I feel like I make some progress with people, and then I feel like I'm p!$$ing in the wind when I try to talk to the public about why we do what we do. Sometimes it seems that everyone has the answer, until you get to their property.
It's gonna take time for people to understand proper pruning principles. Between that and "Right Tree, Right Place", people haven't been educated on these issues very much. Sometimes I feel like I make some progress with people, and then I feel like I'm p!$$ing in the wind when I try to talk to the public about why we do what we do. Sometimes it seems that everyone has the answer, until you get to their property.
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- Nationwide
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Working for one of the big line clearance contractors is always going to be a fiasco. Let me elaborate...
Electrical utilities who wise up and get rid of their in-house trimming crews divest themselves of a huge headache. No rigs, no chippers, no payroll... in addition, they transfer all the associated liability, logistics, etc to the Line Clearance contractor that they hire.
The utility can then hire a few individuals, and give them tasks like pre-inspection, post-audit, door knocking... but the in-house utility forester really only has one job: to wring every last cent of value out of the Line Clearance contractor.
The Giant Line Clearance Companies are trying to make a profit pure and simple. Squeezed at every turn by the Utility company, the clearest way to increase their profit margin is to feed the mules less and whip them harder.
A parallel, if you will, is the "restaurant and the grease trap". Bear with me, I made this up myself... A restaurateur is concerned with providing an atmosphere, a certain type of cuisine, catering to a specific clientele. Ultimately, he doesn't care what is done with the grease, he wants it gone cleanly, quietly, reliably.
The electricl utility, in my experience is the same way. They care about poles, wires, reliable service, and arming their phalanxes of prestigious linemen with shining white trucks and shining white hard hats.
Stripped of any green-eco rhetoric, they just want the trees and brush pulled back from the wire. If the electrical customer is happy, they're happy. They'd hit anything green with Spike if the public didn't cry..
The utility doesn't care about me or my certs or my cuts... they want vegetation management, performed quietly, reliably, and cheaply.
That's why your line clearance experience is what it is. Regardless of what you thought, you're not really about the trees, but you're not really about the wires either.
Operating in this arena, my mantra has become "just for today". I just need the truck to last to the end of today. I just need the saw to run for one more day. I just need one more day out of the chipper. we'll deal with tomorrow when it comes, but please, lets get out the tape and wire and get this stuff to carry us to quitting time today.
I think the GF looks at me and my trimmer, and probably says to himself "just through today. I just need these guys for one more day."
Here's a free lesson for would-be transplants: the Oregon line clearance career ladder is very straightforward thing. One man is issued an orange hard hat, the other is issued a white one. When the man in the white hard hat is fired or quits, the man in the orange hard hat will remove his hat, put on the white one, and resume work. Another man in an orange hard hat will be along to help him soon.
Working for one of the big line clearance contractors is always going to be a fiasco. Let me elaborate...
Electrical utilities who wise up and get rid of their in-house trimming crews divest themselves of a huge headache. No rigs, no chippers, no payroll... in addition, they transfer all the associated liability, logistics, etc to the Line Clearance contractor that they hire.
The utility can then hire a few individuals, and give them tasks like pre-inspection, post-audit, door knocking... but the in-house utility forester really only has one job: to wring every last cent of value out of the Line Clearance contractor.
The Giant Line Clearance Companies are trying to make a profit pure and simple. Squeezed at every turn by the Utility company, the clearest way to increase their profit margin is to feed the mules less and whip them harder.
A parallel, if you will, is the "restaurant and the grease trap". Bear with me, I made this up myself... A restaurateur is concerned with providing an atmosphere, a certain type of cuisine, catering to a specific clientele. Ultimately, he doesn't care what is done with the grease, he wants it gone cleanly, quietly, reliably.
The electricl utility, in my experience is the same way. They care about poles, wires, reliable service, and arming their phalanxes of prestigious linemen with shining white trucks and shining white hard hats.
Stripped of any green-eco rhetoric, they just want the trees and brush pulled back from the wire. If the electrical customer is happy, they're happy. They'd hit anything green with Spike if the public didn't cry..
The utility doesn't care about me or my certs or my cuts... they want vegetation management, performed quietly, reliably, and cheaply.
That's why your line clearance experience is what it is. Regardless of what you thought, you're not really about the trees, but you're not really about the wires either.
Operating in this arena, my mantra has become "just for today". I just need the truck to last to the end of today. I just need the saw to run for one more day. I just need one more day out of the chipper. we'll deal with tomorrow when it comes, but please, lets get out the tape and wire and get this stuff to carry us to quitting time today.
I think the GF looks at me and my trimmer, and probably says to himself "just through today. I just need these guys for one more day."
Here's a free lesson for would-be transplants: the Oregon line clearance career ladder is very straightforward thing. One man is issued an orange hard hat, the other is issued a white one. When the man in the white hard hat is fired or quits, the man in the orange hard hat will remove his hat, put on the white one, and resume work. Another man in an orange hard hat will be along to help him soon.
