Harken riggong winch 500

[CutHighnLetFly]

Anyone ever used this for light / medium duty tree work? Seems like a light duty GRCS...?

 

[Gorman]

Link?

 

[DSMc]

Harken Traction Winch 500

Product Description Harken Traction Winch 500 Harken Rigging Winch 500The Traction Winch provides the user with a lightweight portable winch mounted to a sturdy adaptor plate. Can be mounted to a tripod. Simple to use and ideal for a diverse range of lifting and load pulling applications. For...

atlanticriggingsupply.com

 

[evo]

When I finally get around to it, I want to take a small winch like this and mount it below a bollard for pretensioning.

 

[MapleLeafRopes]

Little late to the party here. We sell both options and I thought I might be able to offer some additional insight. Before I do here is a word for word comparison from Harken:

Basically, the GRCS is definitely the do-it-all one-stop-shop for arbor winches. It definitely is tricked out well. That being said, light and fast duty is easy for the Riggers Winch. In talking to a few co-workers (and in my own experience) we all use the Riggers for our personal tree trimming and arborist endeavors, but we do not tend to have a need for the big GRCS like a pro might.

We originally brought in the Riggers Winch as a lighter, faster to deploy option vs the GRCS. It isn't perfect and you still need a port a wrap underneath but it has its place. The only real drawback to it is the rope diameter only goes up to 1/2". I will say any of our customers that have GRCS's drool over how lightweight the Riggers Winch. I hope that helps!

 

[CutHighnLetFly]

Little late to the party here. We sell both options and I thought I might be able to offer some additional insight. Before I do here is a word for word comparison from Harken:

Basically, the GRCS is definitely the do-it-all one-stop-shop for arbor winches. It definitely is tricked out well. That being said, light and fast duty is easy for the Riggers Winch. In talking to a few co-workers (and in my own experience) we all use the Riggers for our personal tree trimming and arborist endeavors, but we do not tend to have a need for the big GRCS like a pro might.

We originally brought in the Riggers Winch as a lighter, faster to deploy option vs the GRCS. It isn't perfect and you still need a port a wrap underneath but it has its place. The only real drawback to it is the rope diameter only goes up to 1/2". I will say any of our customers that have GRCS's drool over how lightweight the Riggers Winch. I hope that helps!

I did not know you needed the portiwrap under it. Why is that, as a back up?

 

[MapleLeafRopes]

I did not know you needed the portiwrap under it. Why is that, as a back up?

You just need it for lowering. The grcs just has a lowering bollard built in is all I meant.

 

[Serf Life]

From manual:
LOWERING LOAD
We recommend using a safety device, such as a grab-rope mechanism (eg. Prussic knot, rope-grab clutch).
1. Engage grab rope mechanism or clamp rope turns on drum with your hand.
2. Carefully unwind rope from self-tailing jaws only, while maintaining even tension on rope.
3. Do not take rope turns off winch drum until rope is completely unloaded.
WARNING! Use caution when lowering load using winch. Carefully hold rope when it is out of self-tailing jaws. Rope tail must not be released. Releasing rope tail will result in rope slippage, causing the load to fall, possibly resulting in severe injury or death.

 

[Serf Life]

Doesn’t sound as slick as grcs but super compact and tempting

 

[Jonny]

Looks sweet! 13:1 for speed, and 40:1 for more power. Pretty badass piece of kit for long skinny stuff out over houses probably.

 

[CutHighnLetFly]

You just need it for lowering. The grcs just has a lowering bollard built in is all I meant.

Hmm. Thought you could slowly lower right off of it like a grcs

 

[CutHighnLetFly]

From manual:
LOWERING LOAD
We recommend using a safety device, such as a grab-rope mechanism (eg. Prussic knot, rope-grab clutch).
1. Engage grab rope mechanism or clamp rope turns on drum with your hand.
2. Carefully unwind rope from self-tailing jaws only, while maintaining even tension on rope.
3. Do not take rope turns off winch drum until rope is completely unloaded.
WARNING! Use caution when lowering load using winch. Carefully hold rope when it is out of self-tailing jaws. Rope tail must not be released. Releasing rope tail will result in rope slippage, causing the load to fall, possibly resulting in severe injury or death.

This reads as it's saying the operator csn lowering off the winch, just not let go of the line

 

[Tuebor]

Drew Bristow in Fiji mentioned getting one recently. Today he posted a couple of photos on Facebook of using it to pull out some hung up trees.

 

[CutHighnLetFly]

Drew Bristow in Fiji mentioned getting one recently. Today he posted a couple of photos on Facebook of using it to pull out some hung up trees.

I creep drew hard on the social media haha. I haven't seen anything about lowering directly off it from anyone

 

[Serf Life]

@CutHighnLetFly did you decide to get one?

 

[Stumpsprouts]

I didn’t see price on harken but I think this device from Stein (RCW-3001) would work about the same and probably better. Not restricted to small diameter ropes. This bollard is fantastic for general lowering and the cranking device only needs to be attached when it’s needed, and it’s all much lighter and cheaper than a GRCS.

That being said, having a very long arduous journey to get the tensioning hitch set up, then dismantling it before lowering, makes it a suitable tool for a light to medium duty crew, but certainly a few steps below a GRCS and I still think every full time crew that does removals should have a GRCS.

 

[Muggs]

Basically, the GRCS is definitely the do-it-all one-stop-shop for arbor winches. It definitely is tricked out well. That being said, light and fast duty is easy for the Riggers Winch.

The GRCS is only 8-14 mm @MapleLeafRopes ? I've been having a hell of a time finding the specs for it online. On the Harken site I thought it said 10-22 mm but on your chart it says 8-14 mm? I thought it was good for up to at least 3/4" / 19mm line.....

 

[Muggs]

Here's the specs that I'm looking at @MapleLeafRopes

From the Harken website here:
Harken Model 750 Arborist Winch

CHROME HIGH CAPACITY DRUM RIGGING WINCH750​

Part No. 46.2STGNC

Maximum line Ø (mm) 22 mm
Maximum working load (kg) 750 kg
The Rigging Winch 750 has an extra tall drum to accommodate 5 wraps of 22 mm (7/8") rope, which is commonly used by arborists, but can be used by anyone needing extra strength for heavy lifts. More wraps mean increased rope to capstan area, which leads to high efficiency when pulling. The winch has two settings providing a 44:1 and 22:1 mechanical advantage, which allows a single ground person to lift, lower, and lock off tremendous loads quickly and safely.

Specifications

Weight (lb)	20.1 lb
Maximum line Ø (mm)	22 mm
Maximum line Ø (in)	7/8 in
Minimum line Ø (mm)	10 mm
Minimum line Ø (in)	3/8 in
Weight (kg)	9.12 kg
Power ratio with 254 mm/10" winch handle	22:1/44:1
Maximum working load (kg)	750 kg
Maximum working load (lb)	1653 lb

 

[CTtreeNWC]

This reads as it's saying the operator csn lowering off the winch, just not let go of the line

thats the same way you lower off of the GRCS. idk if maple leaf knows what hes talking about because to use the bollard on the GRCS, you need to uninstall the winch. You only use the bollard when you dont need any lift, you just lower off the winches bollard just as the directions say for both winches. There is little difference in the the winches the 500 is a 40 i believe and the current GRCS is a 46.

 

[evo]

One important point is you’re NOT suppose to lower off the winch in arborist applications other than purely static loads. Most all of us do it, but that is why it comes with a bollard.
Does the 750 Rigging winch have a self trailer? Perhaps in rigging situations it was designed for the self trailer isn’t considered a secure lock off.
This is likely what is being referenced