finally got a website up

Thanks guys the pictures in general are a work in progress. those are pics of a tree I took down for my brother in exchange for working on my chipper. 1 of the 3 jobs I have documented in my 6 years of doing tree work. And as far as the beard goes it gets shaved off about this time every year. Just trying to save money on scarves so I can buy more gear! ;)
 
There's nothing wrong with a beard.. If a person (or company) doesn't hire you because you have a beard, tats on your arm, bleach blonde hair.. That's their problem. The way one looks doesn't mean they do a lesser or unprofessional job. (My opinion)

Although I do agree with a close up/clear picture of you and any work you do. A picture speaks a thousand words

If you don't care how the customer feels or thinks about your appearance, then you don't care about the customer. If you don't care about the customer...what are you doing there?
 
Also, we live in an age where you are judged the moment someone has that first interaction with you. I hate to say it, but it is true. Many stereotypes out there that are not true at all, but that fact that your judged on your tats, hair, beard, clothes, and how your articulate yourself is very real.
I have tats and I cover them up when I go to sell a job. However, once I get the job I like to show them off. Let the people see that the tats don't mean anything and I can still get the job done very professionally.
Isn't there a charley daniels band song about this....Long haired hippy dude or something like that?
 
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If you don't care how the customer feels or thinks about your appearance, then you don't care about the customer. If you don't care about the customer...what are you doing there?

You can't please everyone. It's impossible. Your going to come across people that won't hire you based on your qualifications, appearance, etc.. Some people prefer to hire males for certain a tasks and vice versa.. What are you going to do then? Your appearance generally is not going to reflect your work, and if they're choosing my appearance as a factor rather than my work ethic, etc then so be it.. I'd gladly go elsewhere
 
Also, we live in an age where you are judged the moment someone has that first interaction with you. I hate to say it, but it is true. Many stereotypes out there that are not true at all, but that fact that your judged on your tats, hair, beard, clothes, and how your articulate yourself is very real.
I have tats and I cover them up when I go to sell a job. However, once I get the job I like to show them off. Let the people see that the tats don't mean anything and I can still get the job done very professionally.
Isn't there a charley daniels band song about this....Long haired hippy dude or something like that?
That is very true... And that's the problem! Which needs to change. Hence why I don't judge someone and if they judge me it's their loss.

If old Saint Nick can rock a beard so can we.. Haha..

Anyways, my intention was not to start a debate.. I don't want to hijack the thread. So agree to disagree.

Cheers!
 
If you don't care how the customer feels or thinks about your appearance, then you don't care about the customer. If you don't care about the customer...what are you doing there?
I'm sorry but that's a load of horseshit. I am not going to vet the client beforehand and alter my appearance to suit them. And for that matter, different clients will have different expectations and ideas. You can't please everyone. Don't try. Be honest, be friendly. 9 times out of 10 that will matter more than your appearance. For that 10th person, fuck em, you don't need that client anyway.
 
That's right. If you want to show up to give an estimate wearing no pants and a pink tutu and silver ballerina slippers, it will have no effect on whether or not you get the job. Hell, wear a funny clown hat, just to round out the wardrobe.

There always has been, and always will be, a level of expectation from consumers as to what manner of dress, etc. reflects professionalism. Depending on the industry and social norms at the time, there is going to be a lot of variance. Nobody expects the garbage man's helper to wear a three piece suit, but they don't expect their attorney to look like he's in a heavy metal band. Most people can stand before a mirror and figure out for themselves whether or not some minor changes in appearance might help them look more like a representative of their industry. Expecting your entire customer base to come around to your own ideas about what constitutes professionalism (i.e. look at my work, not my "fuck yo' mama" T-shirt) is unrealistic, somewhat akin to expecting a mountain to get out of your way because it's inconveniencing you in your travels. Most of us are better off finding some middle ground... ok, clean t-shirt today and maybe long sleeves if the tats are a little offensive... whatever it takes to soften an image you may realize needs to be toned down a bit as your life's goals change with time.

Don't get me wrong. Judging people solely on their appearance isn't something I find admirable. It is, however, a part of human nature that deserves some consideration if you're dealing directly with your customers on a regular basis. Sometimes, toning down the image a bit will buy you that extra few minutes to convince your customer that you are a professional.
 
That's right. If you want to show up to give an estimate wearing no pants and a pink tutu and silver ballerina slippers, it will have no effect on whether or not you get the job. Hell, wear a funny clown hat, just to round out the wardrobe.

There always has been, and always will be, a level of expectation from consumers as to what manner of dress, etc. reflects professionalism. Depending on the industry and social norms at the time, there is going to be a lot of variance. Nobody expects the garbage man's helper to wear a three piece suit, but they don't expect their attorney to look like he's in a heavy metal band. Most people can stand before a mirror and figure out for themselves whether or not some minor changes in appearance might help them look more like a representative of their industry. Expecting your entire customer base to come around to your own ideas about what constitutes professionalism (i.e. look at my work, not my "fuck yo' mama" T-shirt) is unrealistic, somewhat akin to expecting a mountain to get out of your way because it's inconveniencing you in your travels. Most of us are better off finding some middle ground... ok, clean t-shirt today and maybe long sleeves if the tats are a little offensive... whatever it takes to soften an image you may realize needs to be toned down a bit as your life's goals change with time.

Don't get me wrong. Judging people solely on their appearance isn't something I find admirable. It is, however, a part of human nature that deserves some consideration if you're dealing directly with your customers on a regular basis. Sometimes, toning down the image a bit will buy you that extra few minutes to convince your customer that you are a professional.
Talking about a beard here gu
 
I must have missed that beard, I did not see anyone that I would have considered unprofessional from the site. But maybe that's just because I'm a little scruffy sometimes.
 
But maybe that's just because I'm a little scruffy sometimes.

As do I. Nobody hates shaving more than I do. But, beards & tatoos and dress code all were mentioned in the thread and my point was more about knowing your customer base and making adjustments accordingly, not about beards in general. A well trimmed beard is offensive to practically nobody.
 
more pics

those hand snips are cheap, do you really wear those gloves, maybe cause the snips suck ?

more pics

peoples attention spans are weak, got children, if not...borrow them for the pics

more pics

got any equipment? if not... post pics of stuff you rent, borrow, or wish you had. no one will ever know. Hand full of guys round here advertise a crane they do not own. It works.

Great effort, thanks for sharing.
 
What I said was horseshit was the insinuation that if you wore a beard, you didn't care what your clients thought about your appearance and therefore didn't care about your clients.
Nobody is trying to look intentionally offensive but you cannot please everybody. One client may want their salesman clean shaven, another may not. One may expect you to show up dressed neatly, another may take comfort in the rips in your clothing and sawdust in your beard. I've found that a confident knowledgeable demeanor is worth 1000 times your appearance. Hell, I live in an incredibly conservative Wyoming town and I had dreadlocks! I had no trouble selling work.
Appearance will always play a part to some degree. No one is suggesting you dress indecently or try to be purposefully offensive. Appearance's importance increases or decreases according to your own comfort level. Take this as an example. You only do bids after a fresh shower and shave in a neatly pressed button down and slacks. Due to circumstances beyond your control, you are forced to do a bid in the middle of a workday. If show up worried that your appearance will lose you the job, it undoubtedly will. Your client will sense your unease and find it harder to trust your judgement.
The point is, however you dress or groom, own it. You'll be surprised by the results.
 
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If you don't care how the customer feels or thinks about your appearance, then you don't care about the customer. If you don't care about the customer...what are you doing there?
I wish there was a "dislike" button.

somewhat akin to expecting a mountain to get out of your way because it's inconveniencing you in your travels.
i dont think youre making the compelling argument you think you are... That sounds MORE akin to someone expecting my beard to be shaved in order to work on their trees...
 
IMO should be constantly updated and improved
I agree, BUT...if you're going to start updating it, you must continue to update it. Aside from glaring website problems and deficiencies (none of which I saw on your site!) nothing turns me off from a business more than visiting their website and seeing dated postings/updates, the most recent of which was July 2013. Or the headline banner "Summer tree specials" and there's 3 feet of snow outside my window.

I guess I'm saying that if you post anything with dates or seasons on it, make sure you update it at least every few months. Otherwise, post things that are time neutral
 
Thanks Jeff I started a Facebook page linked to the website last week. That's where I plan to post updates etc. I need to put a few lines on the site to follow on Facebook for deals and such just haven't gotten to it. Been busy studying and working.
 

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