File Sizes an issue ??

mdvaden

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I put a comment in the topic "TreeBuzz slow" in case anybody wants to read it. It's about file sizes here.

The forum is definitely slow, and I was wondering how our file sizes are affecting it.

I mentioned the magnitude of Avatar size in the other topic and comment.

It came to mind, that maybe the Videos are "doggin-down" the site. I read a reply by Ekka where he explained how he took a 70 Meg Video and reduced it to like 3 Megs or less.

But if people are not editing-out from their videos, and someone is lurking in the background streaming 20 Meg, 100 Meg or bigger videos, the server could be in a pinch.

Not to mention the file sizes of single page (see note on other topic).

Could this be part of the matter?
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Maybe its more of a problem for a user and their computer than the server.

Like, over at Home and Garden TV's gardening forum, some users stuff a ton of photos in a thread. Their server seems to dish out the data at a reasonable rate.

But I know that a 1 meg page is going to punish a dial-up user.

So maybe the files are not too bad, unless you are a dial-uper.
 
Mario

Most of the videos aren't hosted on this site's server so downloading wont effect speed here.

It could be a number of things and the Bosses need to go back to their host and ask wazzup?

When my sites run slow I jump on the chat to the techs and it's 99% sure they are doing some backroom maint etc on the server. I think if you have lots of room on your server and a huge bandwidth allowance it still makes no difference.

It depends on how fast their servers run and how generous their line speed is out of the building to the www.

Glens would know a bit about this.

You can get some hosts who are very generous, give you stacks of bandwidth and storage space but they are snails with crappy old technology and slow.
 
I'm still stuck on dial-up connectivity, like yet roughly half the private Internet connections in the U.S.

Page size in general has gotten ridiculous. Most sites seem to think that since the page loads for them in just a couple of seconds when testing a new layout that it's a cool one. They seem oblivious to the fact that they're operating on either an internal network (probably gigabit ethernet) or a good high-speed/low-latency connection and that perhaps as much as half of their would-be visitors can't even get as much as low DSL speeds. Don't get me started on the choice of content they stuff in their pages (flash, javascript, etc. and that often derived directly from a database with a URL containing all manner of "?", "&", etc. which makes the content uncacheable (even when they don't configure the server to send "no cache" headers!)).

I've largely circumvented the dial-up problem by running a web cache "this" side of the modem. Largely, that is, except for the uncacheable stuff mentioned above.

This web site now seems to be hosted somewhere very near New Jersey. It's been a while since I've last checked but it was previously hosted somewhere near Green Bay, WI.

A traceroute gives us some help in determining that. The interesting part (where the broadwing.net network picks up the traffic (in Chicago, for me)) follows:
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7 bb2-p13-1.emhril.ameritech.net (151.164.191.114) 148.872 ms
8 ex2-p5-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net (151.164.42.139) 308.777 ms
9 151.164.249.90 (151.164.249.90) 138.757 ms
10 ge-1-2-0.a1.chcg.broadwing.net (216.140.14.161) 129.253 ms
11 p5-0.gnwd.broadwing.net (216.140.15.141) 138.620 ms
12 p3-0.c0.nwyk.broadwing.net (216.140.16.210) 168.815 ms
13 so7-0-0.a1.nwaknj.broadwing.net (216.140.8.198) 138.875 ms
14 g1-2-0.core2.jfk.foc.broadwing.net (216.140.10.110) 158.770 ms
15 g0-1-0-20.core1.jfk.foc.broadwing.net (63.121.100.1) 158.752 ms
16 treebuzz.com (64.68.147.180) 138.485 ms
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Locale hints can be derived from the host names of the routers; the portion of the name just prior to the main network name.

Typically, the slowness of the (a) site will be a combination of several factors. The amount of traffic on the outward-facing connection for the web server process; the load on the computer running the web server process; the amount of traffic on the (internal, usually) network between the web server and database processes; and the load on the computer running the database process. This is discounting, of course, the amount of traffic on the network segments leading up to the public interface for the web server.

I'd noticed a painful delay in interaction with this site several days ago while away from home and on an otherwise kick-áss connection. Today it seems quite responsive so far.

Part of the problem with forums such as this has already been touched-upon in the thread starter above. Oftentimes users will be sitting on a high-speed connection and running their browser window full-screen (why in the world anyone would want to do that is beyond me; I mean, why use a windowing environment with all the overhead if you're going to essentially be using your computer as a console?). They think they've got a pretty good handle on using a computer, even if they don't, and they think nothing of plastering a bunch of (large) images into their posts. Since it takes only a moment to load and causes no side-scrolling issues when (if?) they check the post before submitting they think they've done well. As we all know, this is often not the case at all.

Oh, well. The world would probably be a pretty boring place if there wasn't at least some diversity. I just wish a greater degree of common sense and consideration were generally exhibited.
 
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Oh, well. The world would probably be a pretty boring place if there wasn't at least some diversity. I just wish a greater degree of common sense and consideration were generally exhibited.

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What I find interesting is an almost total lack of concern about all of the potiential users poorly thought out web sites are missing. Sponsers are missing these people with their advertising dollars.
 
Glenns....

So if you read my comment in the other topic on "treebuzz slow" about the avatar sizes, etc....

Then you are facing a daunting task, even if the one user did change their 630 kilobyte Avatar to the 30 Kilobyte Avatar that Ekka supplied for a swap.

Because the thread with images @ near 1 MEGABYTE (1000 Kb) would still be between 300 to 400 Kilobytes - almot 1/2 a meg.

That may be why many forums restrict Avatars to 80 x 80 size so that dial up users don't leave.

There are still a lot of people who don't have cable access available and have to use dial-up even if its not their preference.

Even with high speed cable, I like smaller page files.

It's drag when people post 800 Kilobyte pictures that they could easily have cropped first, and reduced in pixel width - to maybe 200 KB.

It would affect both users and advertisers.

My Avatar is quite small now, at less than 3 Kilobytes.

On that topic with near 1000 Kilobytes of images, if every avatar were near 10 Kilobytes, the entire page file, plus avatars, plus advertiser images would probably be only about 150 Kilobytes. Almost 6 times faster for you to load on dial-up.
 
It's funny that the site was down for most of the day today...

At least this forum has a sensible setup whereby the forum images are called directly from the filesystem instead of via queries to the database, and the images have sensible caching directives in the HTTP response headers. Even though the avatar was not exchanged yet from the 600+ KB size, it loads over my internal network from the cache server at 10 to 12 MB/s so it's not an issue. The first time, though, is quite tiresome.
 
The software is great. I would recommend no changes in that respect. Before you make any changes to the server setups/locations we should definitely talk.
 
The server I use will be offline tonight for short time - mainly maintenance. About a 1 hour task with an expected 4 hour effect on smoothness.

I don't know much about it other than it works fine for my small needs.
 
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The software is great. I would recommend no changes in that respect. Before you make any changes to the server setups/locations we should definitely talk.

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You're on Glen. Call me tomorrow afternoon or I'll email you then to discuss this. And Thanks!
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