European splicing licece...

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sorek

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Hi,
I have a question to gays making money on splicing. I've start spliceing ropes quite recently, but got invelved and even sold few of them. It looks like it's a market where you can make some extra money from time to time.
Can anyboty tell me what is a proper procedure to legalise the fact I sell them? I've heard that for example:
- to splice yale ropes I have to finish special Yale splicing courses in USA and get my splicer certification from them
- same with Samson and New England ...
Is that correct?
This question is mainly about how European Union regulate this subject.
Do gear shops employ their own splicers or people splice for them as self employed?
After working abroad for many years I got back to Poland where cost of leaving are still much lower than "old EU" so it seams to me that if i had a supllier to cooperate with I'd be able be quite competitive with costs of my work.
Looking forward to hear your opinions
Marcin
 
Incorporate your splicing bus.

Those who splice regularily for profit are neck deep in potential liability. All said, I splice for friends and employees pro bono.
 
Sorek, I have no idea about how to legitimize what you're doing in Europe, but I DO know about splicing.

Here, any person can just get some rope, splice it and sell it. The most important thing is that you do things RIGHT and don't hurt anyone. If you can get insurance for it, do it.

Mangoes, how does charging money for your splice change the liability? If you made it and it changed hands, aren't you still responsible for what you made?

Some gear shops have their own splicers, some gear shops ONLY sell splices made by the manufacturer, and some gear shops by from independent splicers like you and me.

Certification is an option here, through the Yale SPLICER program. Last I checked, Samson and NER didn't have certification programs, but are willing to break test for a small fee.

Best of luck, and let us know how it goes!

love
nick

ps- what do you splice mostly?
 
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So...., that was directed to you Nick?
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I was gonna comment on that one...but didn't want to make fun of the mistake. Shame on me for being respectful!!!

Isn't there a "don't ask, don't tell" policy on this site?

love
nick
 
Correction noted Nick, so more accurately, manage your liabilities. Incorporation is a good step, separate your personal assets. Insurance good as well.

Maybe I'm naive, but I do like to think of my half dozen or so favors as being offered for use, and subsiquently I'm less liable. But then a again we no longer live in an age of a man/woman's word, a handshake, or logic. We live in the age of opportunism, sue everybody.
 
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trust a brit for classroom sniggers!

Not making fun of you Marcin, just the humour in the spelling!

I think what Mangoes meant by being incorporated, is if something goes wrong, the compensation would be claimed from the company coffers, rather than you as an individual.

Regardless, you need to find a way/s of proving the quality of your splicing, to demonstrate your integrity and skill. Have your splices pull tested on a regular basis for all the rope types you splice. This will build a picture of continued competence over time. Write down your own standards of how you splice certain types. If you end up being investigated after an accident, such evidence could well prove your integrity and competence, preventing further action being taken against you.

Its no different to me training - many courses are cutting edge. So I have to justify what I am going to teach, why and how. This is the essence of risk assessment. I am also part of an external verification system. I can also call in a qualified verifier to comment on what I teach and how.

I hope that helps.
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Hey Marcin how is it going my friend?

Unfortunatley gaining insurance to cover your splices is just one part of the equation that you will want to look at before going full bore with the splicing. I think Nick gave you the best advice in making sure your technique and splices are done correctly before selling them. Its the other "smaller" stuff that may make or break your venture though.

Buying the cordage may or may not be a problem for you, but from what I have found the cordage suppliers are much more apt to give price breaks to those buying huge amounts of cord at a time. The price you can buy it for is probably not going to be very competitive with any of the larger arborist supply shops. Depending on your connections and the manufacturer you are working with you may be able to get some breaks.

Hardware is the hardest part to get price breaks on. More than likely you will be paying twice the amount of a larger supplier at the very least. Snaps, Carabiners, Rings, Thimbles, etc, all cost money and you may find that your cost on making a certain product may not give you enough room to compete with some of the other suppliers.

Finding the time to splice the products and then go out and market them is also a fun task. You will find out fast that having a few extra days in the week and about 40 extra hours in those days would help you immensely.


I am not trying to talk you out of doing the splicing. I just want to point out that it is not quite the "easy money" idea that many think it is. You will find that many experienced splicers tend to do it because first and foremost they love splicing. It is a fun way to make a living, but it is also difficult to support yourself with it.

I would recommend coupling the splicing with some other means of income to help offset the investment and to give you time to build up your clientele. A supply shop will give you access to less expensive hardware and cordage but this business is not so easy as well. Good Luck to you Marcin. As I remember you are one heck of a determined person once you get your mind on something so I know you will be successful in the end. Let me know if I can help you in any way.

rich
 
Hi Marcin,

After speaking to a supplier about a year and a half ago at least, they told me that they had to send ropes back to teh manufacturer every-so-often for destructive testing. I THINK (but i'm not sure) that this was concerened with their insurance. I know that they also run splicing courses.

I asked a British rope Manufacturer (Marlow) direct if they ran any splicing courses or knew anyone that did. The knew of noone that ran any courses or provided any accreditation in the UK
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I buy most of my splicing gear from the yacht chandelry near me. Asking them if they ever splice any rope and they informed me that it wasnt worth their while. The recommended rope that most people cant splice and told me to leanrn to splice that then approach yacht clubs. The other yacht chandelry had a grumpy old woman who told me modern synthetics wern't worth the hassle (6mm dynemma cores).

My only plan is to get these ropes mastered and approach the yachting fraternity as there are more of them than there are tree workers. Most climbers i'm assuming buy the ropes pre-spliced anyway.

I hope at least some of my rants were useful and not a waste of your time.

Jamie
 
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