Re: Define \"Safe\"
experienced yet teachable with a positive open mind
experienced yet teachable with a positive open mind
Define "Safe"
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Gerald_Beranek
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Re: Define \"Safe\"
Define "Safe"
"Safety is knowledge and awareness, and being savvy enough to follow gut feelings and consider the unknown possibilities to protect oneself and others."
A very good friend I worked with in the woods told me, "Jer, it's what you don't see is what's going to get you."
Define "Safe"
"Safety is knowledge and awareness, and being savvy enough to follow gut feelings and consider the unknown possibilities to protect oneself and others."
A very good friend I worked with in the woods told me, "Jer, it's what you don't see is what's going to get you."
treehumper
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- Ridgefield, NJ
Re: Define \"Safe\"
Having the foresight to look beyond yourself and see how your actions will affect others that depend on you . Yes, there is inherent risk but with forethought we can mitigate them, by following in the footsteps of others we can gain wisdom without the pain of a negative experience.
When crossing the road do you not look both ways? This is the same thing. Justifying unsafe practices by claiming it's your life is shortsighted. Instead of rationalizing unsafe practices find a way to do it safely. Practice this and it will become easy and second nature.
Having the foresight to look beyond yourself and see how your actions will affect others that depend on you . Yes, there is inherent risk but with forethought we can mitigate them, by following in the footsteps of others we can gain wisdom without the pain of a negative experience.
When crossing the road do you not look both ways? This is the same thing. Justifying unsafe practices by claiming it's your life is shortsighted. Instead of rationalizing unsafe practices find a way to do it safely. Practice this and it will become easy and second nature.
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- New England - CT
Re: Define \"Safe\"
Safety means:
Being able to reconize exposures to hazards and reducing them
Being an able to create a safety culture by leading by example
Having a work place where the new guy could aproach the foreman when safety is compromised
Beliving that accidents are preventibles
Seeing opportunities to improve in every difficulties.
Safety means:
Being able to reconize exposures to hazards and reducing them
Being an able to create a safety culture by leading by example
Having a work place where the new guy could aproach the foreman when safety is compromised
Beliving that accidents are preventibles
Seeing opportunities to improve in every difficulties.
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- Phila. Pa.
Re: Define \"Safe\"
Safety is more than just Hard hats and chaps. It's about thinking things through before you do them and understanding the actions you take and knowing the reactions that your actions will cause.These actions and reactions apply to a large crane removal, technical rigging,or the basics of a groundman cutting up a leader on the ground, he or she needs to know if the cut they're about to make will cause the limb to spring and hit them in the face, or cause the leader to roll toward them. Treework isn't rocket science but it takes years of experience to understand those actions and reactions and to know how the different materials we work with will react to the forces of cutting,lowering, pushing, pulling, winching, etc. Safety to me is knowing the outcome of the action I'm about to take, or at least knowing that no personnel or property will be damaged if my plan doesn't go 100% as I percieved it.
Safety is more than just Hard hats and chaps. It's about thinking things through before you do them and understanding the actions you take and knowing the reactions that your actions will cause.These actions and reactions apply to a large crane removal, technical rigging,or the basics of a groundman cutting up a leader on the ground, he or she needs to know if the cut they're about to make will cause the limb to spring and hit them in the face, or cause the leader to roll toward them. Treework isn't rocket science but it takes years of experience to understand those actions and reactions and to know how the different materials we work with will react to the forces of cutting,lowering, pushing, pulling, winching, etc. Safety to me is knowing the outcome of the action I'm about to take, or at least knowing that no personnel or property will be damaged if my plan doesn't go 100% as I percieved it.
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- Longmont, CO
Re: Define \"Safe\"
With a general term like "Safe" the word should not be subjective to its true definition.
It is more or less a rhetorical question (as Derrick is pointing out). What is safe?
However, the subjective side of "safe" is our individual comfort level with working in unsafe conditions.
For example, I dead wooded 4 Ponderosa pines and 1 Mountain Ash today. My customer said, "If it were me up there I'd probably end up in the emergency room." The implication I got was that I was working in unsafe conditions (aloft).
Yet, little did he know, I was absolutely safe the whole time (according to our industry standards).
The conversation about this can go on for a long time. Shouldn't we look at the true definition of "safe" and think of ways we can apply that word (safe) to our operations?
I think it is most practical to apply knowledge.
With a general term like "Safe" the word should not be subjective to its true definition.
It is more or less a rhetorical question (as Derrick is pointing out). What is safe?
However, the subjective side of "safe" is our individual comfort level with working in unsafe conditions.
For example, I dead wooded 4 Ponderosa pines and 1 Mountain Ash today. My customer said, "If it were me up there I'd probably end up in the emergency room." The implication I got was that I was working in unsafe conditions (aloft).
Yet, little did he know, I was absolutely safe the whole time (according to our industry standards).
The conversation about this can go on for a long time. Shouldn't we look at the true definition of "safe" and think of ways we can apply that word (safe) to our operations?
I think it is most practical to apply knowledge.
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- planet earth
Re: Define \"Safe\"
blinky i take my multiple helmets off to you. you hit the nail on the head man.
blinky i take my multiple helmets off to you. you hit the nail on the head man.
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- ottawa ontario canada
Re: Define \"Safe\"
To clarify sometimes you are in such an awkward spot that you need your free hand to help balance your body so you one hand the saw. It is "safe" imo because you needed to one hand the saw to better balance yourself with the other. the unsafe situation would be where there was no reason to one hand a saw in the first place.
D.W.H
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noooo thats still unsafe have u heard of a handsaw theyve been out before chainsaws try using one might help
To clarify sometimes you are in such an awkward spot that you need your free hand to help balance your body so you one hand the saw. It is "safe" imo because you needed to one hand the saw to better balance yourself with the other. the unsafe situation would be where there was no reason to one hand a saw in the first place.
D.W.H
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noooo thats still unsafe have u heard of a handsaw theyve been out before chainsaws try using one might help
Re: Define \"Safe\"
To me, when I use "safe," I am referring to a condition where I am not exposing myself to unnecessary risk.
Risk, then, is the opportunity for loss (thanks Mahk Adams!). There is risk in all that we do: driving, working etc. In the first example just given, in order to reduce risk, I do not drive under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Some more examples to make my point:
Acceptable Risk
Working on a street
Unacceptable Risk
Doing so without Hi-vis apparel and appropriate TTC.
Acceptable Risk
Chipping brush and logs
Unacceptable Risk
Reaching any body part into the in-feed area
Acceptable Risk
Using a chain saw in a tree
Unacceptable Risk
Doing so without a second form of attachment or one-handing
Acceptable Risk
Using a chain saw on the ground
Unacceptable Risk
Doing so without chain saw leg protection
Many will argue against my example of one-handing the saw, but there is greater risk with only one hand on a chain saw.
There are levels of risk that I accept. I try to reduce the amount of risk when I can. For me, I try to look at everything that I do, and see ways to reduce risk.
Some people will take risks and justify it by saying that they are being safe. I just wanted to get a sense for what people thought that “safe” meant.
To me, when I use "safe," I am referring to a condition where I am not exposing myself to unnecessary risk.
Risk, then, is the opportunity for loss (thanks Mahk Adams!). There is risk in all that we do: driving, working etc. In the first example just given, in order to reduce risk, I do not drive under the influence of drugs or alcohol.
Some more examples to make my point:
Acceptable Risk
Working on a street
Unacceptable Risk
Doing so without Hi-vis apparel and appropriate TTC.
Acceptable Risk
Chipping brush and logs
Unacceptable Risk
Reaching any body part into the in-feed area
Acceptable Risk
Using a chain saw in a tree
Unacceptable Risk
Doing so without a second form of attachment or one-handing
Acceptable Risk
Using a chain saw on the ground
Unacceptable Risk
Doing so without chain saw leg protection
Many will argue against my example of one-handing the saw, but there is greater risk with only one hand on a chain saw.
There are levels of risk that I accept. I try to reduce the amount of risk when I can. For me, I try to look at everything that I do, and see ways to reduce risk.
Some people will take risks and justify it by saying that they are being safe. I just wanted to get a sense for what people thought that “safe” meant.
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