Canopy TIP

[Valdo Tain]

You guys have heard of a clevace or a shackle with a locking pin right? They come in all sizes. I carry 4 different ones for connecting to excavators, dozers, vehicles with odd hitches and cable grabs. They work too at a fraction of the cost. 60 bucks is pretty expensive! I can sell you a rack of clevaces for that!

Not sure about the safety of these shackles, though strong enough the pin is not locked.

 

[Stephen Moore]

Not sure about the safety of these shackles, though strong enough the pin is not locked.

sure it is, I can show you tomorrow when I wake up. Little hole drilled in the end of the pin, you can choose what you want to stuff in it. It's been used on the oil rigs for as long as they've been drillin fer oil! Compensation approved!

 

[Valdo Tain]

I mean these ones

 

[Stephen Moore]

Not sure about the safety of these shackles, though strong enough the pin is not locked.

Man I use em all the time, never had a single disconnect ever! Pull em with my 5 ton, cat, pickup. Use em in Butt ties, etc. I use simple bellied cotter pins to secure the threaded bolts, they never fail. You would have to somehow knock the pin out, hard to do, then unscrew the bolt which actually has some bite to it. Not gonna happen.

 

[Stephen Moore]

No mine, the bolt screws past the outer edge of the clevace and there is a hole drilled there for a pin

 

[Stephen Moore]

I mean these ones

the pin lock is in the threaded end that protrudes beyond the shackle side.

 

[Valdo Tain]

ok, but that would mean fiddling with a small pin up in the canopy.. I agree there's a small chance it would come loose even without a pin. Nevertheless it's not rated for life support.

 

[Stephen Moore]

 

[Stephen Moore]

kinda like that but threaded not nutted

 

[Stephen Moore]

ok, but that would mean fiddling with a small pin up in the canopy.. I agree there's a small chance it would come loose even without a pin. Nevertheless it's not rated for life support.

yes its rated for life support, guys get hoisted up winches to work in the derrick with these on a daily basis

 

[Stephen Moore]

remember the pin can be tethered to the shackle so as not to fall away, same with the bolt part, this image does not show the same bolt with hole in end. It also shows a nut which is not in my shackles, the only thing it does show is a pin through the threaded end. The types I used can lift an excavator on the large side and a car on the small side. You will not break one even if ten of you fell 50 feet on it.

 

[Stephen Moore]

Riggers use these clevises to hang lighting shows above large crowds, They are more than capable of life support. They are overkill if anything.

 

[Stephen Moore]

What they aren't, is as convenient. But like I said, I can buy several of them for the same price as an overpriced quickie. Which from what Ive recently read, has had some safety recalls as of late?

 

[dttm]

To each thier own. No, the ones I use do not have a stamped rating on them. If my little self breaks one of these I need to hang it up cuz I'm too fat.

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[Stephen Moore]

yeah they are pretty tough! you'd be one fat bastard to break even the smallest ones available! However mine do have ratings because I sorta borrowed them from an oil rig I worked on. They had bins full of them, all different sizes and colors!

 

[dttm]

Nice!

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[Benjo75]

The human body could never break either of these. The update on the quickie a couple of years ago was about the slic pin. I believe someone opened one by continually wiggling the pin back and forth. One has never accidentally came open to my knowledge. They fixed the problem right away. I like it because it weighs hardly any more than aluminum biner and can be used in hundreds of different ways and I don't even know it's hanging on my saddle. Quickie, clevis or delta link will all work just fine and all be more than strong enough. I don't mind $30 to save a little weight.

 

[Stephen Moore]

The human body could never break either of these. The update on the quickie a couple of years ago was about the slic pin. I believe someone opened one by continually wiggling the pin back and forth. One has never accidentally came open to my knowledge. They fixed the problem right away. I like it because it weighs hardly any more than aluminum biner and can be used in hundreds of different ways and I don't even know it's hanging on my saddle. Quickie, clevis or delta link will all work just fine and all be more than strong enough. I don't mind $30 to save a little weight.

I totally agree! Just sayin for guys that need gear that works on the cheap that’s one way to save some dough so you can upgrade other things. Plus this is about a TIP which can be retrieved? You may not even have to carry this! You could say that it isn’t even on you?

 

[Jehinten]

Hello all,

Going back to the well of knowledge (you guys and gals) for some insight on your canopy anchors. I have only had a handful of SRT climbs and my previous climbs were with base anchors. I did a prune on a younger locust that was overhanging the neighbors property. The only access I had was from the neighbors yard so I ascended SRT with an alpine butterfly cinched around a solid 8 inch limb. My issue was then trying to advance my climb line. I didn't need to advance it far...maybe 10 feet, but pulling all of my rope back through the alpine was a pain in the ass...I know I also could have undone my rope wrench, hitch, and hitch climber pulley but that would also be a pain to do. There must be a better way. I was playing with some rope and discovered a running bowline would be mich better because the tail can be pulled back through to untie then advance but is that condidered a safe practice?

Thanks for the help as always

You could also keep the canopy anchor that you ascend on and redirect your tail end of you line up that 10 feet. Essentially making a basal tie that is tied in the canopy. With a large enough crotch and a knot to keep your climbing system from moving on the rope, you can set this redirect up remotely, and pull your climbing system back down to you to continue your climb.

 

[Benjo75]

All good ideas. As far as it being retrievable, a throwline around the quickie or clevis will pull it right back down. The slic pin in the quickie spins inside the shackle making it almost as efficient as a pulley. If I preferred no hardware, I would simply tie a bowline with yosemite tie off. It's perfectly safe and fast to tie and untie. Although I'm personally quite faster with the quickie and an alpine butterfly. I started on the bowline. Then used the delta links. Just last year bought a quickie. It works the best for me personally.