Beech Removal
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TC
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Was a bit breezy, how come you didnt start cutting the lowest branches then work your way up the tree cuttin as you go up? Is that a homemade chainsaw lanyard?
Reg
Branched out member
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I thought that was a pretty cool little video Steve.
You cetainly dont appear to be short of energy, thats for sure. I used to be able to climb like that, aye those were the days!
Although, I dont think I'll be lending you any of my saws Steve. Do they not get bashed while they're swinging around on that long strop? Ive noticed that on one of your other video's. Why not hang it closer to your belt?
You cetainly dont appear to be short of energy, thats for sure. I used to be able to climb like that, aye those were the days!
Although, I dont think I'll be lending you any of my saws Steve. Do they not get bashed while they're swinging around on that long strop? Ive noticed that on one of your other video's. Why not hang it closer to your belt?
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- Ontario
Nice video.
It's nice to be able to bang everything out when they have those big holes in them.
Were you wearing spurs?
WP
It's nice to be able to bang everything out when they have those big holes in them.
Were you wearing spurs?
WP
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- Everywhere
Nice Vid and good work. I believe the reason you have a long saw lanyard is that you keep the saw running while moving to the next cut and you hang it closer to your belt (shut off) while body thrusting. That is the way I seen it anyways. Did you have to do any clean up? Was it a cut and drop and leave?
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- Lansing, NY
Nice and nice work , i agree with contract why such a long lanyard and nada on the saw barrowing.
TreeCo
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nothing too exciting im afraid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcbnS-SkEX8&eurl=
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Good job Steve. I use my saw on a long lanyard too. I don't like a hot oily saw on my hip, I'd much rather it be at my feet.
nothing too exciting im afraid!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcbnS-SkEX8&eurl=
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Good job Steve. I use my saw on a long lanyard too. I don't like a hot oily saw on my hip, I'd much rather it be at my feet.
like dan said, i dont like a hot oily saw on my hip. though i do clip it to my waist when im moving around. on take downs like this one where im constantly using the saw i find it slows things down more than needs be. on prunes it pretty much always goes on my belt. my lanyard isnt always that long either, i had to make it longer for using the rear chainsaw attachment point on the tree motion.
i was wearing spikes....and no there was no clean up.
thanks for your comments!
i was wearing spikes....and no there was no clean up.
thanks for your comments!
TC
Participating member
Steve,
Why no 2nd tie in point when using the chainsaw?
You cut lots of little branches off instead of taking big pieces, why?
Round about the 4 min mark you get the saw caught in the kerf of a falling branch, to avoid this happening make an undercut and bring your top cut down exactly in line with the under cut.
Why no 2nd tie in point when using the chainsaw?
You cut lots of little branches off instead of taking big pieces, why?
Round about the 4 min mark you get the saw caught in the kerf of a falling branch, to avoid this happening make an undercut and bring your top cut down exactly in line with the under cut.
i always try and sned stuff up in the tree to make things easier for the ground crew.
i dont always tie in twice unless theres chance of a swing....personal choice, you neednt lecture me.
smaller branches i cut straight through generally....that one nipped a touch, no harm done....we can#t all be perfect
i dont always tie in twice unless theres chance of a swing....personal choice, you neednt lecture me.
smaller branches i cut straight through generally....that one nipped a touch, no harm done....we can#t all be perfect
Mangoes
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- Greater Toronto Area
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you neednt lecture me.
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Got that right, one can tell by your aptitude you know the rules, and where you feel they need to be applied (for your style). You're very fluid Steve, I like your climbing style (hope mines similar). Probably the only difference would be my (personal) aversion to one handed use. But you are not me, and I respect your skill.
you neednt lecture me.
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Got that right, one can tell by your aptitude you know the rules, and where you feel they need to be applied (for your style). You're very fluid Steve, I like your climbing style (hope mines similar). Probably the only difference would be my (personal) aversion to one handed use. But you are not me, and I respect your skill.
thanks mangoes...if im totally honest the one handed use is often laziness. if i can reach down and cut it one handed that saves me descending then having to pull myself back up again right....safety aside, is that a kinda ergonomic trade off??? ie, one handing is not so good on the joints...but its going to save me a couple of body thrusts.
TC
Participating member
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i always try and sned stuff up in the tree to make things easier for the ground crew.
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So, you multiply the cuts in the tree and compromise your safety for the sake of your groundies, what? are they that lazy?
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i dont always tie in twice
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You should, there may come a time when you wished you were tied in twice when using the saw.
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smaller branches i cut straight through generally....that one nipped a touch, no harm done....we can#t all be perfect
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Indeed
i always try and sned stuff up in the tree to make things easier for the ground crew.
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So, you multiply the cuts in the tree and compromise your safety for the sake of your groundies, what? are they that lazy?
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i dont always tie in twice
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You should, there may come a time when you wished you were tied in twice when using the saw.
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smaller branches i cut straight through generally....that one nipped a touch, no harm done....we can#t all be perfect
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Indeed
i was going to quote that post and edit out my bits, leaving your bits, then add in my replies.....then i realized i couldnt be arsed
Nice work as usual Steve
Grover, so you would rather sit at the top of the tree, watching your groundies break themselves rather than process the branch up in the air if it is an easy and viable option?
It takes a climber less time to make a few extra cuts, than it takes anyone else to even pick a saw up! I guess no one ever explained the concept of team work to you?
Working for your likes of you, I'd probably just tie your rope around the base of the stem and go find a decent climber to work with.
Grover, so you would rather sit at the top of the tree, watching your groundies break themselves rather than process the branch up in the air if it is an easy and viable option?
It takes a climber less time to make a few extra cuts, than it takes anyone else to even pick a saw up! I guess no one ever explained the concept of team work to you?
Working for your likes of you, I'd probably just tie your rope around the base of the stem and go find a decent climber to work with.
TC
Participating member
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Grover, so you would rather sit at the top of the tree, watching your groundies break themselves rather than process the branch up in the air if it is an easy and viable option?
It takes a climber less time to make a few extra cuts, than it takes anyone else to even pick a saw up! I guess no one ever explained the concept of team work to you?
Working for your likes of you, I'd probably just tie your rope around the base of the stem and go find a decent climber to work with.
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Is this a joke?
When I work on the ground for a climber the last thing I expect to see when I look up in the tree is him cutting hundreds of little branches off just to make my life easier. You guys have obviously been doing it back to front for years, your institutionalised beyond belief.
Even the idea of making more cuts than is necessary should be sending warning signals to your brain.
You guys obviously aren't climbing big trees every day of the week, right?
Cause if you were the last thing you'd be doing is multi cutting every little branch within reach.
Most of the branches on the tree Steve was working on could have been cut at the stem, with your ground crew dragging them away one at a time to be processed, it's not rocket science, it's called efficient teamwork.
But hey, what the hell, carry on doing it your way if you think that's the most efficient way of working a tree down.
Grover, so you would rather sit at the top of the tree, watching your groundies break themselves rather than process the branch up in the air if it is an easy and viable option?
It takes a climber less time to make a few extra cuts, than it takes anyone else to even pick a saw up! I guess no one ever explained the concept of team work to you?
Working for your likes of you, I'd probably just tie your rope around the base of the stem and go find a decent climber to work with.
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Is this a joke?
When I work on the ground for a climber the last thing I expect to see when I look up in the tree is him cutting hundreds of little branches off just to make my life easier. You guys have obviously been doing it back to front for years, your institutionalised beyond belief.
Even the idea of making more cuts than is necessary should be sending warning signals to your brain.
You guys obviously aren't climbing big trees every day of the week, right?
Cause if you were the last thing you'd be doing is multi cutting every little branch within reach.
Most of the branches on the tree Steve was working on could have been cut at the stem, with your ground crew dragging them away one at a time to be processed, it's not rocket science, it's called efficient teamwork.
But hey, what the hell, carry on doing it your way if you think that's the most efficient way of working a tree down.
grover.....most of the branches couldnt be cut off because there was a bt line in the way....i was reaching out and peeling most of those branchs in, specially the top ones.
regarding ground staff expecting me to cut off little pieces.....if that were the case id cut the stuff off big out of spite....and have done so in the past. as it happens the ground crew that day i had enough respect for to try and make their job easier at very little expense to myself.
regarding ground staff expecting me to cut off little pieces.....if that were the case id cut the stuff off big out of spite....and have done so in the past. as it happens the ground crew that day i had enough respect for to try and make their job easier at very little expense to myself.
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The climber gets paid to cut the tree, in whatever sizes are most appropriate, the groundies are there to shift stuff. Why have them spending time sawing when they can be shifting?
I've worked for companies where I've had a bollocking for cutting pieces out that wont go in the chipper when it was perfectly within my abilities to do so.
Also I'd get yelled at if cutting larger pieces and not having the common decency to make them land facing the chipper, or drag route, butt first.
The Climber may stay in the tree longer, but in that time the debris should be cleared efficiently and if that means it can be done without groundies having to fight to pull apart big messes of debris and go back and forth picking up a saw (I would assume the saw is kept away from the tree when not in use, as apposed to the climbers saw which is always to hand) then all the better.
Also surely there is an argument that, although the climber may be exposing him/herself more risk due to increase cutting, he is also reducing the risk that the groundies are exposed to? Plus smaller bits falling=less risk.
(for rigging, go huge. Different story altogether)
Is correct body positioning in the tree with a ms200T in both hands better for you ergonomically than a groundie reaching into a mass of debris with, say, an ms260, making awkard cuts? So the climber is helping his groundies by preventing them from working in dergonomic positions (I made that word up, it means bad ergonomics)
Where are the most accidents, in the tree or on the ground?
I don't know, please find out and let me know.
I will concede that if the groundie is the most experienced then, sure let the climber do less, but mostly its about dividing the labour evenly between everyone on site, except the boss, I've got calls to make, although I sometimes do them in the tree while the groundies are hauling half a ton of limbs out of the river.
There is no "I" in team, but there is a "me"!
I've worked for companies where I've had a bollocking for cutting pieces out that wont go in the chipper when it was perfectly within my abilities to do so.
Also I'd get yelled at if cutting larger pieces and not having the common decency to make them land facing the chipper, or drag route, butt first.
The Climber may stay in the tree longer, but in that time the debris should be cleared efficiently and if that means it can be done without groundies having to fight to pull apart big messes of debris and go back and forth picking up a saw (I would assume the saw is kept away from the tree when not in use, as apposed to the climbers saw which is always to hand) then all the better.
Also surely there is an argument that, although the climber may be exposing him/herself more risk due to increase cutting, he is also reducing the risk that the groundies are exposed to? Plus smaller bits falling=less risk.
(for rigging, go huge. Different story altogether)
Is correct body positioning in the tree with a ms200T in both hands better for you ergonomically than a groundie reaching into a mass of debris with, say, an ms260, making awkard cuts? So the climber is helping his groundies by preventing them from working in dergonomic positions (I made that word up, it means bad ergonomics)
Where are the most accidents, in the tree or on the ground?
I don't know, please find out and let me know.
I will concede that if the groundie is the most experienced then, sure let the climber do less, but mostly its about dividing the labour evenly between everyone on site, except the boss, I've got calls to make, although I sometimes do them in the tree while the groundies are hauling half a ton of limbs out of the river.
There is no "I" in team, but there is a "me"!
