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And ya might not be able to get a crane to every job site/position!

In trying to compare lessons; i think of rigging in tree as fixed boom rigging, crane as moving boom. Lift power another quotient.

Sometimes, when showing someone a technique, you might not due the easiest, best way for that particular job, but rather the best way for the real target, the lesson; that will flow into many other jobs. Such as, the first load on a rig, might not be what the rig was built for, but rather to set the rig and test it (and everyone)prior to real use.

i'd imagine it is hard flowing into town setting up to a different tree every time and having to teach the same skills, use what ya got. It is hard enough doing it in the backyard etc. i think!

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Retrieval line,
Bravo--I also have used this method before and still do in certain circumstances. Good man. Carry on and never stop looking for the safest most efficient way.
Tim
 
Dear one man band,
thank you for your posting. A breath of fresh air is invigorating.Contact me through my website:arborexotica.com and let me knowmore about your try at this novelty. I also have some ideas for future exotic products for the industry.Maybe we can compare notes.
Tim
 
"I've worked extensively w/the GRCS and it IS a crane, one that keeps the money in the tree company not the crane company."

I couldn't have put it better myself! Thats how I see the GRCS and thats how I sell it to customers. I used it yesturday with a new groundie who's new to tree work. Five minutes of instructions and away we went, he took to it really easily and the job went as smooth as it could do. Still amazed by this peice of kit.

Didn't have my retreival line with me, cos I pulled a volvo out of a wet feild with it and (stupid me) it now has an alpine butterfly knot in the middle that I can't undo! A side kick might have useful at one point!!

(I know, put a stick in the middle of the AB and it will undo easily, it was dark and raining and late and etc etc!)
 
How can the GRCS be compared to a crane? Don't get me wrong, I love the cranks. I've worked with a few in my time, including some originals. GRCS would compare to having a truck or other MA to hoist or pre-tension. I've never seen a crank bring the load and put it in a chipper or carry it over a house. You can take any tree down without either, the crane just gets the material to the equipment in a way that makes it worth it. To me they serve 2 different purposes.

A crane is the only stick i'm paying for in a tree. I'm over 6ft, fully extended I only need another 3ft. Hope my groundies can at least do that for me. Might make a good roachclip.
 
Dear roachclip,
six feet tall- three foot arms-plus nine foot of aditional reach to snag or place climbing or rigging lines.Sounds like 18ft.to me.Would'nt that be handy especially in a lare spreading elm? I don't know what your're smokin' but try to imagine the posibilities.
Been there-
Tim
 
I think your missing the point...your confusing yourself. Older age is making it harder. It wouldn't be useful for 18ft. reach.....I'll just CLIMB the tree. Plus any of the free sticks in the tree will do.... pole saw works too. Back to the drawing board. /forum/images/graemlins/boohoo.gif
 
Ouch!

What Tim is doing is innovating. Innovation is good for the industry. I tend to think that it is just the fact that Tim is defending it so much that is causing a lot of negative talk about it. Nothing wrong with the idea, it's just not for everyone. Keep innovating Tim, just don't try to force-feed.
 
Dear pole-saw works too,
Try holding a pole-saw at a 90 degree angle with one hand then attatch it to your belt and try moving around the the tree.
T
 
Dear ouch!
At last- another climber with an open mind and capable of imagination. Your point however is well taken.No more force feeding.Sorry if I've given offence.
Last words: 15 day free trail to anyone willing to try it. Don't think it's worth a damn just send it back--nothing lost.
signing off-
T
 
Dear free trial, I referenced the article you spoke of in the TCI magazine. I use a pole pruner to advance my rope. Your stick would be helpful to the recreational tree climbers.

Joe
 
T ...I could see how your devise would be usefull to some . God knows when a groundman doesnt no how to flip a rope the correct way and its always falling short , that your devise would come in handy . esspecially in a removal were your removing limbs as you go , so that little hook wouldnt be snagging on limbs.

Sometimes your tie off is at a back angle and your rigging in the opposite direction or another tree, making the rope distance a fair stretch sometimes. The groundman may have other trees in the way , bushes, fence lines, whoe knows what, which may impead them from making a good flip back to you. rather have one more line in the tree to retrive the bull line, your extended pole would probably work in a lot of cases .

It looks light weight.. Good Idea...good luck with it.

Jo , I have done alot of rec. climbing and I feel that this devise would actually be more usefull in the wwork force then rec climbing.. What about those guys who johnny ball all the way into the top of a tree? might be good for them .

As far as rec. climbing goes , theres not to many times that you have to reach for a line as thier talking about. Your moving in reletivly small increments and most of the time your rope is being drawn straight back to you , epending on the type of tree.However, Not to say that it stiil wouldnt help for some .

Thanks
Greg
 
Dear timtheshrubman,
holding a polesaw at 90o aint no thang but a chicken wang. 90/180/360...done. Your making it sound like that's a task. You can hang it from your belt... I'll keep it on a limb off my persons...safer that way...try it.
Look dude were just busting a little balls. Grain of salt. Have fun and keep moving, they say that helps retirees. /forum/images/graemlins/whax.gif
Later
 
Tim , To imply we don't have an open mind because we don't "need" or "want" is wrong. We just don't have open legs for every "idea" that gets thrown at us, I can see a use for it in a bucket truck ( kinda looks Like an electric company tool anyway) there are times where I could use it , but it would be better for me if it was fiberglass. Twenty five bucks I'll take a fiber glass one with an autographed picture of you in an Elm tree reaching for your rope.Peace!
 
I would buy it, rip the hook off the end and attach a cup somehow. This way I could pull my golf balls from the ponds. Oh wait, they sell the same thing from golfwarehouse.com for $20.

T-bone, keep thinking of ways to help the industry. Don't let the "ribbing" discourage you. /forum/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
$6.99 dang!

I have to say, I read this whole post for the first time tonight.

Made me laugh out loud many times. /forum/images/graemlins/grin.gif Thanks.

And I hope a little heat will always be allowed to be thrown around. It makes some of these very interesting to read.

I know when everyone seems to be firing at ya, it doesn't feel so good, but we all get over it.

Tim, you've seen some people here that think your idea is okay, so you should feel good about that.

I guess a lot of the people on here are experienced climbers and would rather bounce out to catch that rigging rope or climb up to that next crotch to set the rope, than to have another thing hanging off the belt. Heck I hate my little fanno saw sometimes (gotta try that shin holster set-up).

I guess we are looking at how much we need a pole-hook/ pole-saw to set things, not real often to most of us. Not me I know. I do use a pole hook or pole saw to set a rope in an adjacent tree or to set a line higher up in a very decayed tree that I am leary about climbing any higher.

I bet you would get more acceptance from trade shows and stuff where there might be more "beginning" climbers that would see your device and think they could use it.

I'm glad you pushed the sales with this again, very entertaining.

And please come back, don't take the comments too personally.
 
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