725tx stuck/tipped

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My Island, WA
So my schedule got messed up this week and I wanted to give my employee the hours I committed to. Set him on a few basic tasks to do around the property. One of those tasks involved a miss communication. I have a spot where I've been placing excess mulch off the side of my driveway which is cut into a hillside. I tried to communicate that he should dump some mulch which was spread turning a different area into a mud bog in the wet season.
He took the mini a little too far and lost control when the existing mulch slipped out from underneath the front of the machine. Nose diving it at a super steep angle. He freaked and shut it down, not wanting to stress the engine, which I'm thankful for. I've been away off island all day, but I've looked up the spec's on the machine durning some free time.
My issue is that it seems one cannot access the hydraulic bypass without raising the boom to take the side panels off. The bucket is currently acting like a wheel chock, and it's at such a steep angle I'd want to put a lowering line on the ass end of it for a backup if I disabled the hydraulics.
The machine isn't tipped, but it looks like it's about 45* but that may be mostly due to the "lines" of the machine. I took my cell phone, and used the sea level app to measure the degree the machine is sitting at. It's right at 27-29 degrees at the bottom of the tracks. The manual says the maximum inclination the engine can safely operate at is 30*.
There is a chance if I can get it just a little further down the hill to where it levels out quite a bit (10-15') I can just plow through the understory to the neighbors driveway. I have a pair of 14' Uhaul truck style ramps where I could try to ease the transition a hair.

So my three options are.
Fire the engine off, or not?
Jack up the front end (risky and PITA)
Hire a crane for an hour (250-500), and pick from the boom point even though the arms are not fully raised.
Go all dukes of hazard and fire it off and get it more level to sit for a few.

What are the risks of firing the engine off? Would it be ok for literally just a few moments?
 
Hard to visualize here as well, if it's just tipped forward as I believe it is I've done this a few times on mine as well as sideways. That "oh crap" moment is no fun, but if your unable to save it while driving I just shut it off and pull it back to upright. Leave it sit for a while to clear excess fuel from the carb and to let the oil back to where it goes then fire it up. Typically it starts rough, like its flooded, it finishes burning that excess fuel out and then runs great.

Different machine and all, but my vermeer does not have a hydraulic bypass for towing, only for lowering the arms and tilt feature. You just pull through the hydraulic motors until its where its where it needs to be. If further than about 10-15 feet I would likely have someone driving it while towing so that it isn't fighting the hydraulic motors. That thought process comes from dealing with zero turn mowers and the fact that you have to disengage the hydraulic drive before towing to prevent damage to the drive system.

In the one instance that I went over sideways so far that I couldn't pull it back upright (machine was laying flat on its side and was sliding across the ground instead of tipping upright) a farm Jack and blocked it up until at anoth 25° then towing could upright it. Attached is the type of Jack that we used.
 

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Won’t start. It won’t even try, I think it might of triggered a low oil shut off.
8 ton winch is dragging the truck front end and the machine isn’t budging.
Haven’t tried to disable the hydraulics yet.

Thinking I need to get it more level to try to start it?
 
Put a large round, on it's side, under the strap, before tensioning. Get some smooth, 4-6" skid-logs under the tracks, maybe a half-sheet of plywood between skid-logs and tracks, and pull.

A dump bed, lifted, and chained tight from the rear of the bed, to the rear of the loader, and dump bed lowered, should lift the tail of the mini.
 
Jack and block the front end will get you out. Looks like about 6-12" higher would allow the machine to start and drive itself out, maybe in conjunction with the winch.
 
Did someone already suggest turning it on and immediately articulating and lowering the bucket to level the unit?
 
The engine won’t kick over. Just clicks.

Disabled hydraulics and winched it up the hill. Then drug it a little bit.
Let the oil settle for a few and more clicking.
Tried jumping that battery and still nothing.

Apparently it tipped on its front end. He managed to get the bucket down and the machine stable. He shut it off immediately, says within 20 seconds of the endo event.

I thought it was some oil pressure shut off, or safety switch?

I have to abandon the project for now, as my wife is meeting her biological father for the first time in a few moments. Just barely enough time to get the driveway clear of all the equipment and crap.

No fun
 
When I flipped our ditchwitch, we had to call a mobile mechanic to come out and show us how to pull the plugs and spray the oil out that seeped up around the cylinders. So when we cranked it up the rings didn't blow. This wasn't a full tip over, but be careful.
 
The engine won’t kick over. Just clicks.

Disabled hydraulics and winched it up the hill. Then drug it a little bit.
Let the oil settle for a few and more clicking.
Tried jumping that battery and still nothing.

Apparently it tipped on its front end. He managed to get the bucket down and the machine stable. He shut it off immediately, says within 20 seconds of the endo event.

I thought it was some oil pressure shut off, or safety switch?

I have to abandon the project for now, as my wife is meeting her biological father for the first time in a few moments. Just barely enough time to get the driveway clear of all the equipment and crap.

No fun
Could be just your battery
Low on water and on its side or just happen to go bad?
 
When I flipped our ditchwitch, we had to call a mobile mechanic to come out and show us how to pull the plugs and spray the oil out that seeped up around the cylinders. So when we cranked it up the rings didn't blow. This wasn't a full tip over, but be careful.
What engine?
 
When I flipped our ditchwitch, we had to call a mobile mechanic to come out and show us how to pull the plugs and spray the oil out that seeped up around the cylinders. So when we cranked it up the rings didn't blow. This wasn't a full tip over, but be careful.

I don't do that with my sk650... I just right it, let it sit for a while, then turn it on... 3 times, no problems that I know of.
 
The engine won’t kick over. Just clicks.

Disabled hydraulics and winched it up the hill. Then drug it a little bit.
Let the oil settle for a few and more clicking.
Tried jumping that battery and still nothing.

Apparently it tipped on its front end. He managed to get the bucket down and the machine stable. He shut it off immediately, says within 20 seconds of the endo event.

I thought it was some oil pressure shut off, or safety switch?

I have to abandon the project for now, as my wife is meeting her biological father for the first time in a few moments. Just barely enough time to get the driveway clear of all the equipment and crap.

No fun

Is 20 seconds starting to be quite a few revolutions without oil? I've turned off at about 3 seconds.
 
Is 20 seconds starting to be quite a few revolutions without oil? I've turned off at about 3 seconds.
Yup. The direct quote is no more than 20, and it probably felt longer that it was in reality. Apparently he was on the machine when it was sticking straight up, trying to boom down to get it back on the tracks.

So either battery is shot, or some safety switch when off, or the engine is locked up
 

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