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Try as you might you can't change the very simply fact that the states that YOU listed have been run by republicans for between 5 and 18 years in a row. You can looks at the stats from 1865 if it fits your fucking narrative a little better, but that would be rather dishonest wouldn't it..
You don't feel that your past shapes who you are? That your years of childhood and growing doesnt make an impact on how you act/feel as an adult?

So why not look over many years of a states/cities political values and direction. i wasn't trying to be bias, I was just listing the information.
 
I was thinking the vast majority (2/3s or more?) of major cities were democratic. Seems like any statistic involving cities would be skewed towards democratic.
 
You don't feel that your past shapes who you are? That your years of childhood and growing doesnt make an impact on how you act/feel as an adult?

So why not look over many years of a states/cities political values and direction. i wasn't trying to be bias, I was just listing the information.
Sadly I am not surpised by your veiled attempt to lay the blame for current gun deaths on a democrat who ran the state in 1896.

Dishonest and disingenuous is an understatement.
 
Sadly I am not surpised by your veiled attempt to lay the blame for current gun deaths on a democrat who ran the state in 1896.

Dishonest and disingenuous is an understatement.
No I actually don't blame democrats or republicans directly. I do blame them some indirectly for their policies that degrade morals, break down of families, fairness of the law, consequences for actions, helping people up vs giving them a handout, etc. Both sides have their faults, and I am willing to look at both sides (obviously since I took the time to look at and organize some of the stats).

Yes, I lean conservative republican so I tend to agree more with that side. I definitely don't blame a gun, or even the access to a gun, for a homicide. Taking away guns doesn't solve the problem, or prevent the violence.
 
Babies can feel pain around 12 weeks according to a new study.... So no abortions after 12 weeks then, for you?
I don't like to go by one new study on anything. I like a broad scientific consensus. Many studies say 20 weeks. I have no direct experience poking fetuses, so I have to rely on the scientific consensus.
 
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I understand the difference of opinions. I am curious if all those who are anti-abortion/pro-birth believe that life begins at conception. Seems like you would if you oppose abortion in all cases.

Personally, I don't see a tiny clump of cells as a human being, but as a potential human being. A sperm cell is potentially half a human being. What's next? Prison time for jerking off?
I believe that life begins at conception, at the moment when the egg and sperm come together. Before that, no, the sperm is not a living human being, nor is the egg. As soon as they become one though, yes, that is a living human.

It is amazing the process that happens when the egg and sperm come together, the way the egg instantly hardens so no other sperm can enter, and then starts dividing based on the instructions contained inside the DNA of both cells to become, eventually, an adult human. Did you know that there is actually a little flash of light at the instant the egg and sperm combine?

And yes, I do oppose abortion in all cases. There is never a good reason to murder a child, no matter what the circumstances may be that caused that child to be conceived. Even if the conception came about in a terrible, violent manner, it is not the fault of the child, and certainly that child does not deserve a death sentence for something done by someone else!
 
I don't like to go by one new study on anything. I like a broad scientific consensus. Many studies say 20 weeks. I have no direct experience poking fetuses, so I have to rely on the scientific consensus.
Understood. If you are interested, here is an article from the Medical Journal of Ethics I found when looking into this topic on 12 weeks vs 20 weeks. It was written by two people, one on each side of the abortion debate. I felt it was well written and covered things well. I don't know where I stand on the pain issue...to me it doesn't really matter since I'm more since conception.

 
I believe that life begins at conception, at the moment when the egg and sperm come together. Before that, no, the sperm is not a living human being, nor is the egg. As soon as they become one though, yes, that is a living human.

It is amazing the process that happens when the egg and sperm come together, the way the egg instantly hardens so no other sperm can enter, and then starts dividing based on the instructions contained inside the DNA of both cells to become, eventually, an adult human. Did you know that there is actually a little flash of light at the instant the egg and sperm combine?

And yes, I do oppose abortion in all cases. There is never a good reason to murder a child, no matter what the circumstances may be that caused that child to be conceived. Even if the conception came about in a terrible, violent manner, it is not the fault of the child, and certainly that child does not deserve a death sentence for something done by someone else
terrible and violent for who? And are you saying that you oppose abortion even in cases of rape and incest?
 
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terrible and violent for who? And are you saying that you oppose abortion even in cases of rape and incest?
Terrible and violent for the mother. And yes, I oppose abortion in all cases. Two wrongs do not make a right, it is not the fault of the child that his mother was mistreated, and he certainly does not deserve to be murdered for the sins of someone else, no matter how inconvenient his existence may be.
 
...Did you know that there is actually a little flash of light at the instant the egg and sperm combine?

And yes, I do oppose abortion in all cases. There is never a good reason to murder a child, no matter what the circumstances may be that caused that child to be conceived.
There are flashes of light when lightning bugs are in your yard and when you get pulled over by the police. Doesn't make them some kind of divine events.

I respect your consistency for the no rape exception. But seems very cruel to me to link a woman to her rapist like that. Have the issues with child support, custody and visitation already been decided in the courts? (I don't know.) Could also be cruel to the child to be raised by a mother who may view them as an extension of her rapist. A high incidence of abuse and/or abandonment would not be surprising.
 
Terrible and violent for the mother. And yes, I oppose abortion in all cases. Two wrongs do not make a right, it is not the fault of the child that his mother was mistreated, and he certainly does not deserve to be murdered for the sins of someone else, no matter how inconvenient his existence may be.
So your the kind of man who will force the victims of rape and/or incest to carry their pregnancies to term regardless of their needs and wishes, and you even won’t afford the victims of rape and incest the right to choose what they do with their own body as a result of the violence that was inflicted upon them. Adios pendejo!
 
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There are flashes of light when lightning bugs are in your yard and when you get pulled over by the police. Doesn't make them some kind of divine events.

I respect your consistency for the no rape exception. But seems very cruel to me to link a woman to her rapist like that. Have the issues with child support, custody and visitation already been decided in the courts? (I don't know.) Could also be cruel to the child to be raised by a mother who may view them as an extension of her rapist. A high incidence of abuse and/or abandonment would not be surprising.
Adoption is always an option, if the mother does not wish to be a mother, she can give her child up to be cared for by one who does want to. Even considering a broken adoption system, a difficult life is still much more than death. I can see no way to justify the murder of a child, no matter how hard it may be for the mother to put up with having that child inside of her for several months.
 
So your the kind of man who will force the victims of rape and/or incest to carry their pregnancies to term regardless of their needs and wishes, and you even won’t afford the victims of rape and incest the right to choose what they do with their own body as a result of the violence that was inflicted upon them. Adios pendejo!
I believe that the murder of an innocent child is not justified by the circumstances that caused that child to come into being.

An adult is welcome to do with their body whatever they wish, however the body of the child inside their womb is not the body of the mother, that body belongs to the child, and has its own right to life.

I see no reason to curse at me, in Spanish or otherwise. I have been nothing but respectful to you in my comments, I see no reason for you to speak to me that way. Nor do I see any reason to continue this discussion, considering the way my beliefs are being so vulgarly dismissed.
 
@Reach, the flash of light at conception is actually not a thing. Content from a bona fide research paper was just mangled by the media. They did report a flash of light, but it was due to the artificially placed inorganic tags and fluoroscopy used in their analytical technique. The flash does not occur naturally or in nature.
 
@Reach, the flash of light at conception is actually not a thing. Content from a bona fide research paper was just mangled by the media. They did report a flash of light, but it was due to the artificially placed inorganic tags and fluoroscopy used in their analytical technique. The flash does not occur naturally or in nature.
Interesting. I will have to do more reading on the subject, I did not hear that from the media but from a speaker who is supposed to know the subject well, but it is possible I am wrong. Thank you for that clarification, looks like I have some more reading to do!
 
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I believe that the murder of an innocent child is not justified by the circumstances that caused that child to come into being.

An adult is welcome to do with their body whatever they wish, however the body of the child inside their womb is not the body of the mother, that body belongs to the child, and has its own right to life.

I see no reason to curse at me, in Spanish or otherwise. I have been nothing but respectful to you in my comments, I see no reason for you to speak to me that way. Nor do I see any reason to continue this discussion, considering the way my beliefs are being so vulgarly dismissed.
You know what’s “vulgar” buddy? The idea that the victims of rape and incest should be forced to carry their pregnancies to term. Fuck their needs and wishes. Your far right fringe view of the world is more important. If your stance deserved a shred of respect I would show it. Sadly it doesn’t..
 
I enjoy these discussions of controversial subjects. Discussing such issues with people who perfectly agree with you are not very enlightening. I may not change your views much or any. And the same for you and my views. I do find gaining a better understanding of other's views worthwhile.

But I'm not into forcing anyone to comply with my views.
 
I enjoy these discussions of controversial subjects. Discussing such issues with people who perfectly agree with you are not very enlightening. I may not change your views much or any. And the same for you and my views. I do find gaining a better understanding of other's views worthwhile.

But I'm not into forcing anyone to comply with my views.
Thank you, I also enjoy an intelligent discussion of a controversial topic. I may not change my views on some topics, or possibly I may, but I am always willing to have a civil discussion of those views, if nothing else it increases my knowledge and challenges me to learn more to strengthen my own beliefs.
 

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