Long-Term Canopy Anchors?

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Stumpage

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I’m new to these forums, and appreciate all the great discussion I’ve seen here the last couple months. I’ve learned a lot, and look forward to learning more.

Does anyone have advice on ways to set trees with permanent (or semi-permanent) canopy anchors for rec climbing? Any and all advice is much appreciated.
 
This has been addressed a number of times here and I think the consensus is that just leaving a throwline in the tree at all times is the way to go, and never leave a climbing line in the tree. Critters and all manner of other natural forces will quickly compromise it.
 
"Bookmark" your tie in point with paracord or throwline....keeping life support anchored in trees with all of the unknown variables is a bad idea. How is it possible to do a pre vlimb inspection of your gear if it is in the tree? Another valuable thing to consider is that throwline is a skill and skills (and knives) only get sharp and stay sharp, if they are honed regularily. Cheers
 
Stumpage said:
I’m new to these forums, and appreciate all the great discussion I’ve seen here the last couple months. I’ve learned a lot, and look forward to learning more.

Does anyone have advice on ways to set trees with permanent (or semi-permanent) canopy anchors for rec climbing? Any and all advice is much appreciated.
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Also tree stuff actually has a steel core i think with steel rings. Canopy anchor ment to be left in trees. It would be perfect for that. Also would have to leave a throw line or old rope to run your climbing line up and down. This canopy achor would be perfect for you. I believe its around $60-$70.
 
Consensus around the tip keeper string comes from a simplicity perspective. Why buy something strong, solid and durable and leave it hanging in a tree for ages? Or go thru the trouble installing something in wood? Repeat climbing is not working on the tree and I learned to recreate with a LNT ethic. Besides I want to change the tie in around in my trees!
Rope in tree is all you need, but not left out for long...
 
rope-a-dope said:
Consensus around the tip keeper string comes from a simplicity perspective. Why buy something strong, solid and durable and leave it hanging in a tree for ages? Or go thru the trouble installing something in wood? Repeat climbing is not working on the tree and I learned to recreate with a LNT ethic. Besides I want to change the tie in around in my trees!
Rope in tree is all you need, but not left out for long..
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Thats what hes asking for. If he wants to leave a long term friction saver in a tree he can. Hes climbing it. Sure its his tree. And once he gets back into the tree. He can get to his long term friction saver. And move it if he wants. And if he didn't want to he doesn't have to. His decision. Im just answering his question. Not questioning him.
 
rope-a-dope said:
Consensus around the tip keeper string comes from a simplicity perspective. Why buy something strong, solid and durable and leave it hanging in a tree for ages? Or go thru the trouble installing something in wood? Repeat climbing is not working on the tree and I learned to recreate with a LNT ethic. Besides I want to change the tie in around in my trees!
Rope in tree is all you need, but not left out for long...
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And im not talking about installing anying in wood? Idk where you got that from. Its just a friction saver made from steel core i think 2 steel rings not retrievable. Like 5ft i think. Look it up at treestuff.
 
Thanks for everyone’s input. Good advice all around. Christrees, you are right - I’m looking for for a tie-in that I can comfortably leave in a tree or two on our property for longer stretches - not literally permanent - I’d expect to inspect periodically, say weekly or monthly at longest, and however often I needed within reason. I also wouldn’t leave the climbing rope out (I’d use paracord or thrown line for that). But a longer term canopy anchor for convenient access in a couple of spots would be ideal for my purposes — if it could be done safely. That steel core friction saver sounds like it may be the ticket. Maybe I could somehow double up the anchor point if redundancy made it a little safer. Thanks again.
 
Stumpage said:
Thanks for everyone’s input. Good advice all around. Christrees, you are right - I’m looking for for a tie-in that I can comfortably leave in a tree or two on our property for longer stretches - not literally permanent - I’d expect to inspect periodically, say weekly or monthly at longest, and however often I needed within reason. I also wouldn’t leave the climbing rope out (I’d use paracord or thrown line for that). But a longer term canopy anchor for convenient access in a couple of spots would be ideal for my purposes — if it could be done safely. That steel core friction saver sounds like it may be the ticket. Maybe I could somehow double up the anchor point if redundancy made it a little safer. Thanks again.
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Yes the friction saver im talking about is your best bet. Thank you. Look into at treestuff.com. and i do remember the inspection process with it is every 6 months. And i dont believe you would need to double it up. But it your choice. If it would make you feel safer. Good. That your decision. I would if it made me feel safer. Im glad i could help. Your welcome.
 
I guess I'm going to have to show my age.

There seems to be a forgotten...already...skill, of setting a ring/ring false crotch with a throwline. The FC can be set and retrieved using nothing but the throwline and a bag...maybe a screwlink if the eye of the throwbag is small

Isn't it illustrated in The Tree Climber's Companion?

No need to leave a false crotch/throwline in the tree...just some paracord or something similar.
 
Stumpage said:
Thanks for everyone’s input. Good advice all around. Christrees, you are right - I’m looking for for a tie-in that I can comfortably leave in a tree or two on our property for longer stretches - not literally permanent - I’d expect to inspect periodically, say weekly or monthly at longest, and however often I needed within reason. I also wouldn’t leave the climbing rope out (I’d use paracord or thrown line for that). But a longer term canopy anchor for convenient access in a couple of spots would be ideal for my purposes — if it could be done safely. That steel core friction saver sounds like it may be the ticket. Maybe I could somehow double up the anchor point if redundancy made it a little safer. Thanks again.
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And it is stell core..just double checked. Just look up friction savers at treestuff and it about 6th from the bottom. Looks pretty cool to me.

Its called the rope logic steel core canopy anchor. $80.00 plus tax.
3ft long. Inspection like i said 6 month minimum. 12 month maximum.
 
Tom Dunlap said:
I guess I'm going to have to show my age.

There seems to be a forgotten...already...skill, of setting a ring/ring false crotch with a throwline. The FC can be set and retrieved using nothing but the throwline and a bag...maybe a screwlink if the eye of the throwbag is small

Isn't it illustrated in The Tree Climber's Companion?

No need to leave a false crotch/throwline in the tree...just some paracord or something similar.
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Im sure he knows. Not everyone would want to do that. Hes just a rec climber. And has a tree he going to be in alot. Why would you want to set and remove constantly.?
 
Tuebor said:
$80‽ How about $10 for a loop of paracord?
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What are you going to do with a loop of paracord?. Guys hes not asking how to get a rope in a tree. Hes asking if there are long term canopy anchors. Because thats what he wants to do. Idk why everyone is telling him how to do it there way. Hes not you. He wants what he wants.
 
Tuebor said:
You're going to pull your rope into the tree - whether or not there is friction saver.
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Sure but what a frition saver for. Less frition. So obviously he wants a long term friction saver to help him up the tree when thrusting up. Or however hes getting up. Point is he wants what he wants. He didn't asked for friction saver opinions. He asked for long term friction saver.
 
There were 5 guys to reply to his question. And every single 1 told him a different way to do it. Not answer his question. Just tell him how you do it. I actually have seen this product many times looking around treestuff. I am the only 1 out of 6 people to actually help and answer his question. Not tell him how i do it. Cuz guess what hes not me. He does th things his own way.
 
Christrees said:
Why would you want to set and remove constantly.?
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Long list of reasons...here's a few...


No cost...save the $80 plus shipping
Constantly??? Only once per climb
How long does it take? If it adds five minutes to a climb the climber isn't in practice. Back in the day when i climbed DdRT it might take less than a minute extra per climb.
It would add zero if a choked PSP were chosen. SRT up...lanyard in...set the false crotch and DdRT
No concern about rodent or worse, UV damage to gear
 
Tom Dunlap said:
Long list of reasons...here's a few...


No cost...save the $80 plus shipping
Constantly??? Only once per climb
How long does it take? If it adds five minutes to a climb the climber isn't in practice. Back in the day when i climbed DdRT it might take less than a minute extra per climb.
It would add zero if a choked PSP were chosen. SRT up...lanyard in...set the false crotch and DdRT
No concern about rodent or worse, UV damage to gear
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Yeah what if he dosen't want to do that? He may not. It'd be his choice. Just saying everyone has an opinion but didnt even answer his question. Have you opinion. Thats your right. But you could atleast answer his question. Then tell him how you would do it. But remember everyone has there own way. There own preferences.
 
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