Why don't I see this more often?

[ßrit]

I recognize that the hitch climber, amongst other multi-hole pulleys exist; But I never see this setup and it seems to work well. Is there any issues you find with this.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

'This' being a simple slack tender under a climbing hitch?

Or the use of opposite and opposing...I can't see if the middle one is really opposing though... non-locking biners for a false crotch?

Either way, both work but there are other setups that work better and aren't that much more complicated

 

[ßrit]

Thanks for the reply, Tom. The focus being on the single hole pulley vs the hitch climber setup, for example.

 

[Tom Dunlap]

Ahhh!

Oh...welcome to Treebuzz

 

[ßrit]

Hahaha thank you, Tom. I climb SRT most often (rw, tether, hitch, single hole pulley) and do not own a hitch climber pulley or similar multi-hole-pulley for slack tending. Am I missing out on any fun by just running on a single hole pulley for slack tending like I have shown in a ddrt configuration?

 

[TimBr]

@ßrit; First, I'm not a pro arb, so take what i say with a grain of salt. The veterans of this forum might have better ideas. Disclaimer out of the way, that setup looks safe enough, but it does require you to grab above your hitch, pull and hip-thrust, all while keeping a tight grip on the rope, at which time you have to reach down with one of your hands to tend the slack, correct? If you can figure out a way to add in a life support rated rope with the ability to be adjusted in length, in between your saddle attachment point and your caribiner, you could push your system away from you, which would allow you to place your hands below the hitch. Then when you pull rope, the system would tend itself. A rope bridge saddle with an adjuster added, with a really long rope bridge, can provide this sort of flexibility. You must make sure that you can still reach your hitch, whatever setup you decide on. Another setup I've never tried, that might help in this regard, is called the "O rig". Something for you to research.

If you've never been to the "climbingarborist.com" website, you owe it to yourself to visit there. Dan Holliday, the host of the site, has created a comprehensive set of videos that go from how to tie knots to complex climbing and rigging systems. All free to view.

Here's a link to the main page of Dan's website.

http://www.climbingarborist.com/

Thanks for listening, and welcome to the TreeBuzz forum! I think you are going to like it here.

Tim

P.S. Here's another link to Dan's website, a page that gives a short biography of the gentleman, to give you a feel for his background.

http://www.climbingarborist.com/about.php

 

[ßrit]

Thank you, Bob Bob. That's precisely what I was looking to hear. And Tim, thanks for the direction.

 

[Brocky]

Good advice Tim. I think the "approved" method for using a short system, like the one above, is to pull down with one hand above the hitch, while simultaneously pulling up on the tail with the other.
When I first started to evolve from the traditional tautline system, all my hitches were extended, climb line and lanyards. I think I was influenced by the rules for the foot lock competition that don't allow your hands above the hitch.

I use the same type pulley for my Wrench also. Sometimes the fixed plate or a cheap Camp swing plate pulley.

 

[evo]

I like how streamlined it is, but if you wind up advancing or re crotching I can see it being a epic pain. You would have to drop one leg of the hitch cord and pulley, then throw the bitter end up. I climb with a steel petzl oval on the bitter end, I was trained with a steel snap and I got use to the weight advantage when throwing for a higher crotch.
However it is certainly safe as long as there is no interference with the hitch. As for the false crotch it’s technically legit, but I use opposite and apposed trilocks (and only 2). I stopped when I got more solid withsrt as a base tie is was more efficient.

 

[treebilly]

Besides having to deal with going around a limb on ascent there is just a lot of things in one caribiner. Kinda crowded is all

 

[Tony]

Before the hitchclimber pulley a set up like this was quite common in production as well as competition. In my expereince using a fixed side plate pulley was the next evolution after the venerable, but limited cmi purple pulley.

Fo a bit I use a Petzl fixe with one end of the hitch terminated to the becket. Worked well, but he multiple holes of the hitchclimber gave so many more options/ configurations. I suspect that is why it seems a bit terse now. The Rope Wrench really reintroduced the fixe type pulley and so the evolution goes.

What you have set up is essentially the configuration of the CE lanyard albeit with different hardware. That is where I see this the most these days.

Tony

 

[Flex Abednego]

For me it’s what evo said about advancing.
Separate biner for the bitter end, no need to take the biner out of the hitchcord and pulley.

 

[Santiago Casanova]

I recognize that the hitch climber, amongst other multi-hole pulleys exist; But I never see this setup and it seems to work well. Is there any issues you find with this.

I use that setup on my lanyards because those pulleys are cheap. Works great. I use a separate carabiner for the end of the line. I do wish I had pintos in place of the cheap pulley. You will want the rated becket.

 

[rope-a-dope]

The rope running past the the eye will rub off the heat shrink unless the hitch keeps them apart.

 

[tc262]

I recognize that the hitch climber, amongst other multi-hole pulleys exist; But I never see this setup and it seems to work well. Is there any issues you find with this.

As already stated, it's not easy to advance your tie in point or pass a branch if you didn't have it completely isolated.