The varieties of plastic and their costs

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Taking credit card payments is standard business practice. Those cards, however, differ widely in the amount that they will charge. I just learned (forensically, retroactively) about "interchange" fees--these are extra fees which will be taken out of your account to pay for the Rewards card that some will use to pay.

I watched in amused bewilderment over the years as my merchant services jacked up their Visa rates from 2.5% to 3%, now at 4.5% for the base use of that plastic. Add the Rewards card "interchange fees" and the rate is actually around 6.8%.

I can understand how coffee shops could add a little extra on their coffee to cover these costs. As an arborist, however, these rates are staggering. An average $1,000 job, turns into a $932 job just to cover the cost of the customer's choice to use plastic.

In my state (Oregon) you can add this cost back in, telling the customer that if they wish to use plastic, they'll need to cover the cost of these fees. Not so in some states, I understand, where you can't discriminate against the customer's right to use plastic.

Are their better merchant services that people recommend that don't have "interchange fees", that have a flat low rate, etc. Or do some just opt out of the plastic game entirely? What's your experience of credit card charges?
 
We use PayPal, the fees are always the same as far as I know. I haven't noticed any retroactive fees. Some folks refuse to use PayPal though due to security concerns. Personally I don't get but am happy to take their check or cash.
 
Taking credit card payments is standard business practice. Those cards, however, differ widely in the amount that they will charge. I just learned (forensically, retroactively) about "interchange" fees--these are extra fees which will be taken out of your account to pay for the Rewards card that some will use to pay.

I watched in amused bewilderment over the years as my merchant services jacked up their Visa rates from 2.5% to 3%, now at 4.5% for the base use of that plastic. Add the Rewards card "interchange fees" and the rate is actually around 6.8%.

I can understand how coffee shops could add a little extra on their coffee to cover these costs. As an arborist, however, these rates are staggering. An average $1,000 job, turns into a $932 job just to cover the cost of the customer's choice to use plastic.

In my state (Oregon) you can add this cost back in, telling the customer that if they wish to use plastic, they'll need to cover the cost of these fees. Not so in some states, I understand, where you can't discriminate against the customer's right to use plastic.

Are their better merchant services that people recommend that don't have "interchange fees", that have a flat low rate, etc. Or do some just opt out of the plastic game entirely? What's your experience of credit card charges?

Let's assume a state forbids you from adding a service cost to processing plastic.

Is there any reason why you can't say "The job is $1100, but we give a 5% discount for cash or card" ?
 
Let's assume a state forbids you from adding a service cost to processing plastic.

Is there any reason why you can't say "The job is $1100, but we give a 5% discount for cash or card" ?
Nice. I think that would work. :) Only thing is that the "interchange fees" I was talking about--they are something separate from your standard Visa or Mastercard charge. Since there are literally hundreds of these rewards cards (2x points, e.g.), you never really know what the charge will be unless you do a minor research project into the specific card's "interchange fee" at the point of sale (a highly problematic endeavor). These are the fees which show up as charges in addition to the flat rate charge (a fixed percent). You'd have to build into your pricing this potentiality. The base price of our service is going to look artificially high and it might lead to fewer jobs.
 
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Your trusty digital librarian here: This looks like a good primer on the whole credit card system.

https://www.merchantmaverick.com/the-complete-guide-to-credit-card-processing-rates-and-fees/

Note that these fees are being challenged more and more, the US has the highest merchant processing costs in the world. The interchange fees were traditionally high for Amex when their initial card offerings required payment in full from the cardholder each month (really a charge card) and a lot of merchants refused to accept them. Many businesses are moving to Square for in-person transactions as the processing fee is reputedly the lowest.

It is good to read the comments and questions at the end of the article, there are references to more resources for helping you. And as suggested, discounts for cash buyers is legal; surcharges to card holders is not.
 
Good article, Carol. You will see on their tree diagram of charges that interchange fees vary from one card issuing agency to another. I haven't had an easy time finding out this information for cards and I think the average businessperson is not capable of knowing easily what these rates are when the customer suddenly presents XYZ Visa card. You just don't have time to figure out at the point of sale what that rate is going to be. It is a black box. Merchant Services cannot tell me what it is. They'd have to devote a researcher to figure it out. So, for all practical purposes, the merchant (that's us) cannot know in advance what the interchange charge will be. That is what I find disturbing. And since the interchange fee is deducted 30-60 days later from your account, it makes no sense to ask the customer to cover the cost of this fee (which you won't know until far later). Surcharges without notification are understandably suspect, but you can add it on in Oregon. Seems fair. The fact that credit card companies can charge these rates retroactively and without proper public notification to the merchant in advance is (in my mind) the really bizarre practice. The Capital One commercial isn't joking when they say, "what's in your wallet?" Its a holdup
 
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I agree, credit card industry is a nightmare. They have contracts that even contract legal experts can't decipher. Just one step below loan sharks.

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When I red the title of thread, I thought this to be an environmental discussion;)....I'll throw in that I run the square as much a possible if people want to pay with card on the spot. Invoice 2go charges me a bit more or maybe equal 2.75 % flat rate of sale as well,i believe last time I checked. Shpupd really follow up on that and make sure they're not jacking me.
 
We use PayPal, the fees are always the same as far as I know. I haven't noticed any retroactive fees. Some folks refuse to use PayPal though due to security concerns. Personally I don't get but am happy to take their check or cash.
Nice, Levi. It looks like Paypal offers "flat rate" pricing--that is, they do not add interchange fees. I don't know quite how they do this (because the interchange is coming from the cardholders rewards plan, not the merchant services of the merchant), but they appear to. I think I'm going to look into this one more. :)
 
I have explained to people who are nervous of PayPal that (a) you don't need an account to use the payment gateway which is as secure as any gateway out there and (b) even a PayPal account is now far more secure than they once were reputed. I use it and no problems. You can order a card reader for free to set up taking credit cards via your smartphone, too. Program is "PayPal Here". Transfer to bank account it smooth and well-documented. You can do your invoices through it, too.
 

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