Rockie Mountain Results

First, the results; a couple of opinions to follow.

Once again, Charlie Wagner will be representing us at the ITCC. He won a very competitive Masters, after winning all events but the throw line. (He accomplished this despite the fact that he was coming back from being sick, and operating on very little sleep after missing a flight and taking a red-eye). For anyone who hasn't seen him compete yet, Charlie is a phenomenal climber. (He used to be a good skier, too, before he became a victim of the snowboard affliction ;)

Runners up were Matt Mayo, from Preservation Tree in Denver, who was very solid all day, and pretty spectacular in the MC; Bill Mattor, from Arbor Works/Swingle in Fort Collins, who also put up a great MC; and former RMC champion (8'th at ITCC, '04), Luke Glines. Luke failed to set a throw line in the Masters, but climbed extremely well this weekend, coming in 2'nd after the 5 preliminary events.

The competition took place over two days this year, with speed events on Friday afternoon, and the other 3 as well as the Masters on Sat. There were 33 climbers. The overall skill level and number of competitive climbers in this chapter have increased by a huge amount in recent years. There were also 4 forty-something guys in the mix, three of whom managed not to embarrass themselves.

One other note: There was a potentially very serious fall during the work climb, though, luckily, no serious injury was suffered. Andy Freise, from Davey Tree, Boulder, had his knot loosen when his handsaw caught it. He was about 35 feet up, and fell about 20-25 feet and landed on his back in the main crotch of the tree. Unbelievably, he stuck around and finished up (he said he felt a little sore). His saw had a lanyard attached to it (to prevent it from falling and causing a DQ.) The lanyard probably played a role in the incident, maybe by wrapping around his rope above his knot. He was climbing on 11 mm, 24 strand rope. This account is all second hand, from talking to him and
other climbers who witnessed the fall.

He drove by and waved this morning on the way to his first job. Aside from being tougher than nails, Andy is a great guy and a great climber and I personally feel very relieved that we’ll be seeing him out and about with his crew.

And, now for the editorial.

We are switching the timing of our TCC to Fall, (to coincide with our annual meeting, and to give the winner more time to prepare for the ITCC). So, the plan is to hold a second Masters Challenge at that time this year, to determine next year's representative at the International. The competitors in that MC will be the top 10 from this year's event, so there was a lot more at stake this weekend than there usually is.

I personally think that this is a bit unfair to a few guys who had to miss the competition, or got DQ'd from an event due to a technicality. They have no shot at this or next year's ITCC, which seems a strong penalty to pay.

But a bigger issue is that there were some very serious problems with the way the competition was run, that may have impacted the results. First, we didn’t receive our rules until moments before the first events began on Friday. Then, the climber meeting came after the first 2 events, and was very short (due to its starting late, and time limits placed on the room we used), and almost no discussion of rule changes occurred. So, anyone wanting to understand the rules had to stay up late to read them, then get up early the next day. To the extent that there were changes in the way events were scored, this was a problem. Competitors didn’t know how to approach the events. Maximum speed? Emphasize innovation and poise?

Also, the judges apparently didn’t know the scoring rules, either. I say this because the results of the work climb participants were posted almost immediately upon their finishing the climb. This is, of course, necessarily inaccurate, since all scores are dependent on the time of the fastest competitor, who climbed after most of the others.

Again, I am only raising this because two Masters Challenges ride on the results. I have no agenda with regard to any particular climber left out, since two of my practice buddies ended up in the top 10, and therefore stand to lose out on the opportunity to be in October’s MC if a whole new competition is held.

Of course, it takes a lot of time, money and effort to put on a full competition, and there may not be the same reservoir of these available to put on a second one. Hopefully, though, this can change, and anyone who wants can have a shot at Hawaii.
 
Fred,

Thanks for the post. Congrats to Charlie!

I too would have to agree w/ the top 10 climb in Oct. Sure it takes a lot to put on this event but you have 4 months to prep. Get on it today. Use the same park, same trees (maybe set up different or switch events between trees). That is too bad especially if a great climber had a bad day and missed top 10 by a hair.

Our chapter I think, has talked too about moving to fall time but I dont like the idea. I think the winner is more prepped and ready if they just get done than having a year to sit on the couch and get fat. OR worse yet, injured.

theres my .02
 
Congrats Charlie. Best of luck in Minneapolis.

Only having the top 10 finishers compete in the fall is absurd. Totally not fair to the other climbers in the Chapter. Sounds like the TCC chair is LAZY.

In Illinois we have had our comp in the fall for 10 years or so. I think it is better. It gives the champs time to get in shape and try new techniques before going to the Intl's.
 
I helped as the tech in the tree for the aerial rescue and would agree with Fred, there were alot of people at the top of their game that day. We also had two women compete for the first time, and both did great!
 
I also attended in Ft. Collins(hopefully as one of the lucky 3 40 somethings) and had a few random thoughts to add.
First the fall- I witnessed it and it was pretty scary looking. Andy was climbing out to the limb toss and had a couple of feet of slack in his line.there was that little 2 or 3 inch limb to go over or under. He was scrambling under it and lost his grip. When his weight hit his french prussik it just did not bite. As I witness it I did not see his scabard or hand saw interfere with the hitch but saw it more as operator error. Just about any climbing hitch would react in the same way. But the fall itself looked like he was practically free fallin for about 20 feet and landed face up wedged in a pretty [what???] tight croth. Ouch. That guy was definately tougher than I would have been had I been the faller. I did my work climb a couple of guys after him and I have to say that I was pretty aware of tending my knot.
I agree with Fred on the way that they are going about the change in timing and making it exclusive to the top ten. I am certainly not backing that.
I had to leave before the end of the MC but I have to say that watching Luke throw out was a bummer because he is definately a keen competitor and had a great shot to win.
As well as his awe shucks attitude at what must have been really frustrating dq shows what a great sport and nice guy Luke is.
Charlie's work climb was humbling for me to watch: He was so smooth and controlled and relaxed-maybe this will be his year at ITCC!
And to try to sum up- I have to say that I am really impressed with the over all quality and enthusiasm and actually quite proud to be associated with RMC.
The TCC for me is such an energy boost to remind me of why it is that I work in trees and that it isn't just about "playing phone tag" ( Iswera to god I am going to strangle the next person that says that)and chipping dusty old brush piles and driving all over the county to give bids or any of the other mundane biz malarkey
 
Tom,

You definitely climbed great; it was great to see your work climb, which was really pretty quick and very efficient. I have no idea of where you finished, since they may well (hopefully)have tallied the final scores based on adjusted work climb scores and not those showing on the board; or maybe not. They clearly erased one score and rewrote it; all the others remained untouched and inaccurate. So I didn't bother trying to figure who was top 10.

John --- (Sorry you had to endure my multiple snafus in the AR.) Yeah, the women were very impressive, you could tell they are every-day climbers in the way they worked through all the events, and Stephanie should do us proud in Minneapolis. I have no idea how next year's representative will be decided, since the other woman (Karen?) was from outside our Chapter. And thanks for all the hard climbing you did to set the ascent rope and dummy back each time. You were probably the hardest working climber on the day!

Okie and Norm: I actually like the idea of a Fall cometition, or even an earlier Spring one. Just hoping to have a full competition. If it doesn't happen that way, I'll definitely be there anyway to see the 10 compete in October. It will be spectacular. The 4 or so guys who were within about 4 points of the MC this time should be more than a little motivated.
 
Several years ago when I was involved in the Minnesota TCC we shifted to the fall comp in order to be able to climb oaks. In order to do that we had a larger MC with six climbers. The format was accepted and worked well. The comp was held at the MN State Fair so LOTS of people could watch.

It was my suggestion that the RMC follow the same format but open it up to more people. I agree, a full on comp is the best. BUT!!! Where are the volunteers to do the comp once per year? And then there is the expectation that they take the time TWICE per year. Fred and I have talked a lot about this so you have to know that this isn't meant as a slap at Fred by any means. AND...I know that Norm is very involved too. In any volunteer organization it is always the same core people that do most of the work. That is a normal social function.

When ever I start to whine and complain about anything that's done by volunteers I remember the advice:

If it's to BE
It's up to ME

It isn't too late to put together a full on comp for the fall RMC meeting. The catch is that they want to run both the fall meeting and the comp at the same time. There are many people who would have to choose involvement in one or the other event because of time constraints.
 
Congrats to Charlie. Thanks Fred for posting the results. I am sorry I wasn't there. I volunteered to help again this year and recieved a very lukewarm "I'll get back to you" response followed by ....nothing. Running an all volunteer staffed youth camp each summer has taught me to treasure volunteers and frankly I got peeved and since I was very busy I blew off the whole thing. If someone who isn't suffering a cranial rectal inversion is running the fall comp I will be happy to come help.
 
Stumper /forum/images/graemlins/biggrin.gif ! We missed you, and they could have used your help.

Tom,

You make great points, and I respect them, and agree: someone is going to have to want to step up and take the initiative. I'm hoping to keep competing, though, so it can't be me.

Bringing the ugly stuff up puts me in the position of seeming like an ingrate, but I have done too many of these to keep quiet when something smells fishy. We missed you this year; I'll leave it at that.

On balance, as with every year, I came out of the event on a high, inspired by the other climbers, after an overall fun weekend. Best wishes to Charlie; I know he'll do us proud.
 

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