Public Park Climbing....

Basswood

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So for the first time I got “kicked out” of one of the county parks in my hometown for rec climbing. I was finishing up on a Liquidambar but eyeing a crotch to maybe reset my line for one final ascent. I’ve climbed this tree a handful of times as well as just getting acquainted with a pretty epic Platanus in the woods. I explained I was an arborist who simply liked to rec climb to stay fit and practiced. His response was, timidly, no go unless I worked for the county. I was finishing so I just said fair enough and started packing up.

but had me thinking, these are public parks that we all pay taxes to maintain. this is a lesser used park except in the summer by camps. But some trails are available that bikers and hikers use as well. Anyone run into a situation like this and be able to turn it around? I enjoy climbing the two trees here that I have climbed.
 
So for the first time I got “kicked out” of one of the county parks in my hometown for rec climbing. I was finishing up on a Liquidambar but eyeing a crotch to maybe reset my line for one final ascent. I’ve climbed this tree a handful of times as well as just getting acquainted with a pretty epic Platanus in the woods. I explained I was an arborist who simply liked to rec climb to stay fit and practiced. His response was, timidly, no go unless I worked for the county. I was finishing so I just said fair enough and started packing up.

but had me thinking, these are public parks that we all pay taxes to maintain. this is a lesser used park except in the summer by camps. But some trails are available that bikers and hikers use as well. Anyone run into a situation like this and be able to turn it around? I enjoy climbing the two trees here that I have climbed.

Don't get caught next time
 
Awesome story.

I do feel like my casual approach missed a good opportunity to secure a spot to continue to climb if I simply had more of a conversation like you did instead of the simple “fair enough”.

you’re approach actually sounds similar to my method to diffusing situations of irritated neighbors or passerby’s when I’m spraying trees during PHC visits.
 
As a matter of fact this happened to me 3 days ago. I found a heritage red oak on the internet that was only 30 mins from me. A beautiful majestic tree approx. 300 years old. It was in the middle large field at a park that has a waterfront trail. It was the center piece of the parks entrance....I told myself I had to climb it. I drove down and it was cold and windy. The wind was coming hard off the lake. Probably the windiest day I have ever climbed in. I still had to climb it...it was a disaster. Throw cube tumbling across the field, line spewed out all across the ground. I finally get a line set and ascend the tree, set my PSP and start working the tree. I set up a re direct to get to the tips of a sprawling limb. When what do I hear..."Hey, what do you think you are doing up there?"
Me "climbing this big beautiful Oak tree"

"You can't do that. Its a public tree"

"Is the path that you are walking on a public path? Do you go to the public beach to swim? Do you take your grand children to the public park?"

"Your going to hurt this tree. This is an important tree."

"I promise I will not hurt this tree. I am a trained professional and I assure you I care more about tree preservation then you do."

"I have called the by law officer and taken your license plate. Your going to be in big big trouble."

"Thank you sir, appreciate that. You have a wonderful day."...

By law guy did show up. He was a nice guy and we chatted for a bit. Actually took a business card because he does work for the municipal tendered jobs in the city so said he might be able to get us some more work...lol.
 
It is sad that you literally need to hide.

imagine an accident occurred and you needed help. There’s an argument to be made that high viz even when rec climbing is extremely helpful in that situation.
 
I got around an issue with the local Feds (BLM) by saying I would volunteer to do overhead trail clearance, dead limb removal, etc. Still a no-go with the county and state here however. Everyone is so liability and litigation conscious. The sodding lawyers have done this to us. As BobBob said, it is ironical that no one thinks twice about kids climbing with no rope, safety gear, etc. But adults simply should not climb trees unless it is job related? It is far safer in my opinion than rock climbing yet no one blinks at that in most of these parks. Hopefully we will see it accepted more and more as time goes on. We are still on the cutting edge with recreational tree climbing in its infancy.
 
It is sad that you literally need to hide.

imagine an accident occurred and you needed help. There’s an argument to be made that high viz even when rec climbing is extremely helpful in that situation.

I climb in the woods because that's where I want to be, not to hide.

There's liability around everything so any town, city, county etc. "manager" is worried about an injury lawsuit. If they have doubt and ask their legal department's advice, the answer 99.9% of the time is no-go. Doesn't matter how safe we know the activity is. The reaction of the town employee encountering a person in a park tree is often simple fear. In their mind they put themselves up in the tree and think "Wow, this is highly risky!" If you're lucky you encounter a chill town/city/county/state etc. employee with a balanced understanding that humans are engaging in semi-risky activities on a constant daily basis and this tree climbing activity seems pretty reasonable and healthy (fresh air, exercise, interaction with nature) in the scheme of things.

As far as rec climbing accident potential goes, a lot of us climb solo when we're rec climbing. I wouldn't be a climber if I hadn't gone out into the woods and learned to climb solo. I was reading everything I could on the techniques and talking to people on tree climbing forums and in my first year of climbing decided to go visit Peter Jenkins/TCI in Atlanta and take his basic tree climber course. After the course I had a safety protocol for my climbing and a good understanding of basic tree climbing techniques but I still had a LOT to learn about being in trees on rope.

I had some arborist friends who were flat out: "Never climb alone!", and... "Tree climbing is dangerous, get in and out of the tree as quickly as possible!". Their perspective was legit from a tree work point of view. Running chainsaws or handsaws, rigging or throwing down wood, takes a lot of skill and experience (obviously) to narrow risk to the minimum possible and get to go home in one piece at the end of every day. Rec tree climbing is a very different animal, the climber gets to assess and choose the tree they climb. There's no time pressure to "Get it done!!!" except for "Yeah, I want to be home for dinner". My goal rec climbing is to stay in the canopy as long as I can. Taking a canopy hammock nap is an option. Just chilling in a light breeze at the top of a fine tree is nice way to be living. Climbing solo sharpens focus. It's like talking a hike in the woods alone, you tend to focus more on where you put your feet and you're not counting on anyone to drag you out of the woods if you twist your ankle or worse.

What I've always practiced and what I tell new climbers about solo climbing is: "Stay within your skill set, think every move through before you do it, understand the risk when you're making decisions." and at the same time try new things, push on the edges of your limitations, read and research, talk to other climbers when you can and debrief when weird things happen on a climb, get another perspective to fully understand why something went wonky during a climb.

Most humans are amazing at understanding where the edges of danger are and when to push at those edges and when not to.

This is probably a little controversial for work climbers (which I am also): I don't carry a hand saw on my harness when I'm rec climbing on public land. I'll have it in my pack on the ground, it has come in handy for many things. Hell if you get stuck in the woods overnight in the winter you can make firewood much more easily with a handsaw. If you're not carrying a hand saw rec climbing in a tree you're not throwing wood around and you're not waving sharp edges around your skin or climbing lines. It's a great way to deescalate risk on a rec climb. If there is hung wood that presents an immediate danger just throw it down. Or if there is attached deadwood that is presenting immediate risk to you, just break off what can be broken off and throw it down. It is not a rec climber's job to alter trees in any way on public land no matter what good you think you might be doing.

Working climbers have very drilled in and necessary protocols for their climbing activities. It can't be "turned off" when you rec climb and most of your safety protocols shouldn't be turned off. On the other hand it's worth recognizing that rec climbing can have a completely different approach. There's no job quote pressure, there are no saws and chipper running, there should be zero power lines anywhere near you and the tree, and you shouldn't be in a sketchy tree 'cause why would you choose a sketchy tree to rec climb?

That's my brain dump for some of the differences between rec and work climbing and why it's useful to be aware of those differences.
-AJ
 
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Aaron at the Connecticut Winter Rec Climb a few years ago. I hope he'll be there for the February 23 get together. Aaron is a work climber who is my rec climbing hero for one reason at least: He usually finds a sweet spot and takes a short nap on every rec climb I've ever been on with him.

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-AJ
 
Funny that you mention the lack off handsaw... I too leave it on the ground and purposely go out of my way to climb trees without a lot of dead wood and definitely no hangers, no need to increase my risk, or leave a mess from breaking and tossing hazards... The whole leave no Trace thing from bit scouts kicks in
 
Funny that you mention the lack off handsaw... I too leave it on the ground and purposely go out of my way to climb trees without a lot of dead wood and definitely no hangers, no need to increase my risk, or leave a mess from breaking and tossing hazards... The whole leave no Trace thing from bit scouts kicks in

Of course that bit me, did a rec climb on Saturday. rescued 2 cats out of trees on Sunday. My hand saw was still in my woods pack when I left to go after a cat the next morning. Cat rescue is not rec climbing, no, no, no ;-) Really could've used my saw. The answer is, I need two handsaws.
-AJ
 
Aaron at the Connecticut Winter Rec Climb a few years ago. I hope he'll be there for the February 23 get together. Aaron is a work climber who is my rec climbing hero for one reason at least: He usually finds a sweet spot and takes a short nap on every rec climb I've ever been on with him.

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-AJ
That tree has a lovecraftian vibe to it. Kinda like it is just gonna uproot itself and start walking around.
 

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