Lanyard Positioner?

39Buick

39Buick

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Looking at a couple mechanical devices for lanyard adjusters. Would appreciate your input and opinions on making the choice easier for me!! Thanks in Advance!!
In my budget window currently I have narrowed it down to the ART Positioner 2 Swivel and the Notch Glide. Please tell me what you guys think??
 
Also love the ART.

Never used the Glide...actually never heard of it. Haven't paid much attention to anything because the Positioner doesn't make me want to replace it!

Anyhow, after looking it up, here is what I see as a pro/con list - maybe others with more experience can confirm/dispute these:

1) Looks like the Glide is a touch easier to get the rope in and out of. Not really a concern for me because I might switch to a new lanyard every other year.
2) The Glide's friction is more adjustable. That seems great...but I've never thought "I need to adjust the friction" on the Positioner. It will start to slip which means its time to replace the cam. Maybe with the Glide you can adjust it and keep it going longer without replacing? On the downside, is it going to be finicky to dial in??? I have no idea...just made me wonder - it they have to make it adjustable will it always need adjusted?
3) The Glide looks a little bulkier.
4) Glide wins on price.
 
I love the Art2 positioner with swivel. It can be a little jerky with my 11.7 dia. lanyard though. I’d imaging a full 1/2” line would be smoother.
 
I switched from the art positioner to the glide after trying at a show. The glide is a good concept and smooth especially on a spar. The problem I had was when I got in an awkward position with the glide it. Had lots of trouble adjusting. I have gone back to the art positioner ftw. This reminds me I need to sell the glide.
 
I really like the ART with the built in swivel. There are a myriad of ways to manipulate operation in different scenarios and working positions to help make it smooth rather than jerky.

It’s a combination of technique, how much weight is on your lanyard, and how much friction is on the stem. Sometimes you unweight, sometimes you fully weight. What you don’t do is sit there and stare at it while slooooowly actuating the lever with the idea it will smoothly release. It’s more binary on its own. It’s your body mechanics and how supplemental friction is applied in so many different ways that make it seamless.

Take some time, then zen out on it.
 
This is probably not what you are looking for as it is rated for 8.9mm to 11mm lines. Nonetheless, it is an excellent example of a spring-less lanyard adjuster that works under load flawlessly. Definitely not fancy and the price reflects that.



www.rocknarbor.com

Mad Rock Safeguard (Springless) - Rock-N-Arbor

By constructing the Lifeguard without the internal spring, the Safeguard is a great tool for rescue and rigging work. It will lock onto the rope with very little force giving you the confidence that once the position of the rope is set the device will not creep or slide. For rescue / rigging...
www.rocknarbor.com www.rocknarbor.com
 
DSMc said:
This is probably not what you are looking for as it is rated for 8.9mm to 11mm lines. Nonetheless, it is an excellent example of a spring-less lanyard adjuster that works under load flawlessly. Definitely not fancy and the price reflects that.



www.rocknarbor.com

Mad Rock Safeguard (Springless) - Rock-N-Arbor

By constructing the Lifeguard without the internal spring, the Safeguard is a great tool for rescue and rigging work. It will lock onto the rope with very little force giving you the confidence that once the position of the rope is set the device will not creep or slide. For rescue / rigging...
www.rocknarbor.com www.rocknarbor.com
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That looks very similar to my vergo
 
Use an ART with swivel on a double ended lanyard setup for years. There's a bunch of info out there that shows an ART swivel used with an additional prussik on top of it - presumably to prevent sudden letgo's. Just for the heck of it, I tried this a bit and just found it fussy (and one time the prussik got sappy maybe and jammed up) - went back to just the plain ART. Great lanyard adjuster. My two cents. Cheers
 
If I want to prussic on the lanyard, I put a pulley behind it instead of a Positioner. That is my spare lanyard setup because I'm too cheap to buy another Positioner.
It seems like that takes away much of the value of the ART device.
 
Treeaddict said:
I love the Art2 positioner with swivel. It can be a little jerky with my 11.7 dia. lanyard though. I’d imaging a full 1/2” line would be smoother.
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So you think it needs a bigger rope to run smoothly? I use a 11mm Tri tech currently and was not wanting to really change it!
 
oceans said:
I really like the ART with the built in swivel. There are a myriad of ways to manipulate operation in different scenarios and working positions to help make it smooth rather than jerky.

It’s a combination of technique, how much weight is on your lanyard, and how much friction is on the stem. Sometimes you unweight, sometimes you fully weight. What you don’t do is sit there and stare at it while slooooowly actuating the lever with the idea it will smoothly release. It’s more binary on its own. It’s your body mechanics and how supplemental friction is applied in so many different ways that make it seamless.

Take some time, then zen out on it.
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That's Great info!!! Thanks so much for sharing!
 
39Buick said:
So you think it needs a bigger rope to run smoothly? I use a 11mm Tri tech currently and was not wanting to really change it!
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Do you have a little jerkiness at times? I figures more surface area of rope in contact with the device would make for a smoother release- easier to find a sweet spot. Could be wrong.
 
39Buick said:
I use a 11mm Tri tech currently and was not wanting to really change it!
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As your using 11mm rope I’ll add my 1.3 cents here, for variety. (As I’ve pointed out elsewhere on this forum I’m old and don’t climb much so don’t pay much mind to my climbing advice.)

I currently climb with about a 20 foot, 11.1mm lanyard with an ART swivel on one end and with a TAZ lov2 on the other. I also use a second TAZ lov for my primary ascender-descender, do love it, so find it super smooth for release under a load even when using my lanyard choked on a spar - it’s a Second SRS system. Using both ends of the lanyard with the TAZ, and the ART comes in very handy at times. The ART a fine piece of kit - good when I’m moving around on spurs, but it can be tricky to release heavily loaded, and cannot serve as a single rope descender.

If I had to have only one lanyard adjuster, for me it would be the TAZ - it’s very easy to adjust loaded, I’ve no fear of it not grabbing when suddenly loaded from slack, and no sit back - it’s bulkier and heavier than other options, requires 11mm rope, but it’s got no bad habits in my book.
 
An older unit its the Grillon which is a grigri with a stubby release handle that you don't have to fold out to use. Bit clunky and suffers from too much grab under heavy load makes it hard to release and hence jerky. When loaded spar-level or about up to 30 or 40 degrees it operates nicely with normal tail pulling adjustment/shortening even though it doesn't have a pulley like a hitch lanyard and smooth extension. Gums up with sap though. zero sitback.
 
A mentor once told me to give any new tool 90 days of use before deciding whether I love or hate it. It’s like reading reviews- I don’t trust any gear reviews that are posted less than a few months after purchase.

“Wow, these new boots are great!!!”

*6 months later*

“Wow, these boots suck! They fell apart in no time. Would not recommend!”
 
Crimsonking said:
A mentor once told me to give any new tool 90 days of use before deciding whether I love or hate it. It’s like reading reviews- I don’t trust any gear reviews that are posted less than a few months after purchase.

“Wow, these new boots are great!!!”

*6 months later*

“Wow, these boots suck! They fell apart in no time. Would not recommend!”
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I agree one hundred. Which is also why I put a few points out there about operation of the ART. I’ve seen people go from a hitch to the ART and quickly say they like the hitch better. It’ fits the definition of insanity to try and use one device in the manner that another device is used and then tell the internet that it’s no good.

Trainings and workshops are also great because they offer climbers the opportunity to become exposed not just to tools but techniques. Reading a manual will only get one so far…
 
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