Lanyard Adjuster

MikePowers321

MikePowers321

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White Pines out here are extremely sappy. I'm looking to switch from a hitch cord to something different because I need an adjuster to work much better than a hitch in these conditions.

I use a half inch wire-core for the pines around here at the moment, and was thinking about buying the Trango Cinch (which I have never seen or used before).

Any thoughts guy/gals?

Thanks
 
I am betting that the wire core will not fit in the cinch and also will not function properly and could cause damage either to the device or lanyard. A rope grab of some sort works well but can't be adjusted under load. If you are looking to be able to let out slack under load then the Art positioner with the proper cam would be the way to go. For just a flip line mechanical grabs are hard to beat, I use an isc version on my 1/2" and a Gibbs on my 5/8" and they both work well but the isc is a little easier to tend slack with. I do find that with the isc if you are navigating the tree it really eats up the slack and the lanyard is always too short. When adjusting the isc though I never pull the tail of my flip line I always just feed the slack into the device rather than pull it through. It is nice to be able to do an you can adjust the length without having to move your hand from it's normal position.

I used to use a Prussic on my wire core but it drove me nuts with sap from conifers. If I use a wire core for a larger deciduous tree removal with longer limb walks then I sometimes use a Prussic so my slack stays where I want it.
 
Good info man. Thanks alot. The ART seems like a good choice as well. Have never used it either. Though it is pricey. And yeah I would like to be able to adjust relatively smoothly under load.


I also wonder if scrapping the wire core and going to the sterling tritech flipline/trango cinch combo would be helpful......?

It says on on Treestuff with Trango is good in sap...but like I said, I have never used it/touched it/seen it.

I wish I had a chance to play around with stuff before buying.
 
I used to use a cinch a lot with the tri tech and tech11 I think it is called? The cinch was a nice device and works flawless I just could never get over how badly mechanicals suck up slack and it's no exception. Sometimes with the sap you don't really have a choice but to use a mechanical device,that's why I always use my wire core and grab for sticky climbs but a cinch and rope lanyard will function fine in the same conditions. For trees where it's not a problem a hitch works best for me. Once you get used to the slack getting taken up I'm sure you will like the cinch. I just got tired of always adjusting my lanyard so I went back to the hitch, some days I still miss my cinch though.

Also for flipping up a stem the tri tech will never surpass a wire core IMO.
 
Thanks again. Yeah that tri-tech stuff looks sweet and I plan on grabbing some. I always use hitch/pulley on deciduous trees as well. I have always loved the feel and been most comfortable with hitches. But that sap is like Chinese water torture to me.


You said:

"Once you get used to the slack getting taken up I'm sure you will like the cinch. I just got tired of always adjusting my lanyard so I went back to the hitch"

I'm not really sure what you mean by this. You mean re-adjusting length after use is a pain with the cinch?
 
Say during storage you have about 6 foot of usable lanyard meaning the distance between the cinch and your snap or biner on the other end is 6 feet. A lot of times you will un clip your lanyard just to find you only have a foot or a few inches of lanyard between the cinch and the biner/snap. If this makes sense? What happens is the rope slips through it so easily it will just eat the line up so you go to clip your lanyard around a stem and it's short so you have to lengthen it out which is a pain if you are trying to hang on with one hand. I wish I had a better way to explain it maybe someone else will chime in, the same goes for a positioner as well. They don't do it all the time but they will do it especially when you least want it. With the tri-tech it's not near as bad on the cinch because the line is pretty big for that device. Using a 10mm lanyard it happened to me a lot it just seemed to drop right through.


I find with a rope lanyard if my tail gets caught on a branch I can feel the pull on my side before my lanyard gets shortened, with the cinch the lanyard would be sucked all the way through to the snap before I realized it because it was so smooth. Hope this doesn't confuse you even more haha.
 
You explained it perfectly. Much appreciated because that does sounds like a pain in the [pick a different word], and would annoy me quite a bit. Thanks for the heads up.

From the research I've done, it seems that the ART is the way to go for the wire-core. Pricey though. But for the time being, I may just go back to the micro-grab with a twist in the pines. It's definitely not very smooth but it does get jobs done.
 
I know your pain I work in a lot of conifers here too and I was told long ago to stick with a wire core and rope grab for that work. I tried all sorts of stuff and I came back to that same system. I tried using one lanyard for everything and it just didn't work out well for me so I just have 3 different ones in the bag and they work for me.
 
I tried tri-tech in my grillon. It doesn't play well with the grillon . The rope seemed to get stiff and grippy when it got wet. A real pita. Also it nicks only slightly less easily as other ropes I have used. I recommend staying away from tri-tech if you are using a cam style mechanical.
 
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Thanks for the info. I will use Prussik with that Rope for sure.

CThompson - you said you had used the Sterling Tech Eleven...what were your thoughts on that for a lanyard?
 
It makes a nice lanyard but I won't buy it again. I just don't feel the need to spend all of that money on a piece of rope for a lanyard anymore especially one that is not a hi-viz type color. I haven't tested the cut resistance but I can imagine it's not a lot better than any other line out there. I like velocity the best for a lanyard, it's small, light and wears well. Works well for me, my next pick would be blaze.
 
Right on, I use velocity right now as well. Just wondering how you felt about the tech11 and I couldn't find any reviews.

I really don't like buying things when I don't know how I'll like them... Basing everything off expectation.

I guess that's the beauty of the Buzz/Internet.
 
I know what you mean, I bought the tech11 and tri-tech thinking they would be the next big thing but for me that's not the case. I am actually using the tech11 right now because I just retired my last velocity lanyard. Since the tech11 is just sitting here I figured I might as well use it. I will say it works much better with a stiffer cord like ocean poly 8mm.
 
Funny, Velocity is my favorite rope for a lanyard as well.
But I really like the Tritech stuff as well, although the colour of it is really a drawback. But on the other side it is impressive how long it takes to get really dirty, I guess thats because of the tightness of the cover (i see the same effect on HTP).
Even if it cannot be really much, I think it is more cut resistant than other ropes. There have been some unscientific testings documented on the web.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC-7gjhsJ1c
 
I have found the only system I like using when there is a lot sap around is my old school 5/8 steel core fliplines with macrograbs.

I ran a grigri with my 35' lanyard for a while but it was totally screwed if any sap got on the rope. I use a VT/pulley now but even that is easily foiled by sap.

One thing you can do is put a 1.5-2' long sheath of 1" tubular webbing over your rope lanyard to protect it from sap. It works ok but if the tree is really sappy or large diameter you are probably still screwed.

I'm a real fan of fancy/techy gear most of the time but when I get in sappy trees I tend to go back to the old school stuff.
 
tri tech + HRC on a VT thats kinda long. slides real easy and sets real easy. i use a boat snap to tend the hitch. if the hitch is loose enough it helps move the hitch with the sap a little but you gotta make sure its set before putting weight on it.
this is what i SETTLE for but its hardly a solution
 
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