Cover splice for retrieval

[Quintanana]

Never spliced before but good with my hands and willing to learn/experiment....got some scandere and wanted to put in a cover splice for a retrieval ball. Anyone want to help point me in the right direction?

 

[theatertech87]

You're looking for a "reaving eye splice" no idea id it's doable on that rope though. Also not a load bearing splice so retrieval ball only

 

[Crimsonking]

I don’t splice mine, but I cut some core out, fold the jacket back to the full section and whip it. The whipping (no stitches) is holding like a champ after a few months. I used throwline for the whipping.

 

[Quintanana]

Theatertech- Thanks for pointing me in the direction of the reeving eye splice. Non-load bearing is fine as I was only looking for something for retrieval and would feed through a runner nicely. Maybe need to pull out some cover strands? 48 is pretty tight...seen some load bearing splices on scandere so hopefully it can be done.

Crimson - I like that too! Simple solution and Im sure would feed through a runner

 

[Crimsonking]

If you need it thinner, some guys take out more core, and fold the jacket onto itself, not onto the full rope. That should be lock-stitched.

 

[Quintanana]

Copy that

 

[JeffGu]

I just cut about 2" ~ 3" of the core out (or most of it) and use a Speedy Stitcher to sew a short length of cord or webbing inside the cover, formed into a loop. It's strong enough that I pull saws up into the tree with it, sometimes.

Most of my ropes, but not all, need to fit through a ZigZag, so on those ones I have to make sure that it fits... otherwise, I don't worry about it.

 

[Quintanana]

Looks clean, Jeff! Does the loop ever get caught on branches? My first version was a hole melted through the tail with some throwline in a loop. It didn't feed through my runner that smoothly (the line would fold back and cause some resistance) so I opted for a larger hole melted in the tail that would fit the bight of my retrieval ball.

 

[JeffGu]

I've never snagged the loop on anything. I tried melting a hole through the rope with a soldering pencil, and like you said, when you fold the loop of cord over the end, it's too big to fit through the ZigZag, so I switched to this method. Usually, I just do it right off the bat when I buy a hank of rope.

I have small snaps on the ends of my throwlines, and just clip to the rope tail. It all passes through pulleys, etc. and is handy to just clip on a throwbag if I need to toss the tail of the line over a limb, or retrieve a R+R friction saver.

 

[Jonny]

That looks excellent. Gotta be faster than my multiple clove hitches for attaching throw line.

 

[Crimsonking]

I've never snagged the loop on anything. I tried melting a hole through the rope with a soldering pencil, and like you said, when you fold the loop of cord over the end, it's too big to fit through the ZigZag, so I switched to this method. Usually, I just do it right off the bat when I buy a hank of rope.

I have small snaps on the ends of my throwlines, and just clip to the rope tail. It all passes through pulleys, etc. and is handy to just clip on a throwbag if I need to toss the tail of the line over a limb, or retrieve a R+R friction saver.

I like that. I’ve done something similar (though more crude) for my main rigging line. It has a plastic tube formed to a horseshoe, with throwline through it and sewn into the end of my line. It’s great for clipping to my saddle when climbing out to the next rig, and hauling up a saw.

 

[Z'sTrees]

Ive got a little "accessory" eye in my km max. Pulled a few inches of core, folded it over right with just enough room for an xsre to fit thru and stitched it up with wipping twine with a bit of heat shrink to finish it off. Easy to do and plenty strong enough to pull even big saws up. Makes setting a line thru tight crotches a breeze as well. I make the eye small enough that a normal carabiner cannot fit as to never get confused as life support.

 

[Worthaug]

Just jam an XSRE through it, or use a hot nail or leather punch to create a permanent hole then jam the XSRE through it.
Also, a midline clove well dressed and set in the retrieval ball cord works a treat.

 

[Quintanana]

Wish the XSRE fit through a fimblclimb...

Been doing the melted hole and totally works. I find those reeving eyes really slick though.

I'll have to test out the midline clove.

 

[SeanRuel]

I've been reading the Ashley book of knots recently, and tons of old timey stuff was made with seized eyes. Basically super tight whipping that holds rope together like a stitched splice

Wondering if that would be easier for something like this. Pull some core, double over and wrap the heck out of it?